If we fail to show up, we have failed our country!
We ask every citizen to get involved in their local government. You can volunteer three hours a month by showing up to a council, board or hearing. Progress is best when it serves all parties, including the PEOPLE!
WE RESPECT EVERYONE’S RIGHT TO THE 1ST AMENDMENT. THAT IS WHY WE WILL RESPECT PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSING THEIRS EVEN WHEN WE DO NOT AGREE. WE ARE ALL TAX PAYERS, WE HAVE THAT IN COMMON.
Minnesota, fellow Americans, isn’t it time to TAX the FEDERAL RESERVE? Lets TEA Party!
Attention: Third Estate Associates!
The Bankers Manifesto of 1934
“Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law, applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principlal men now engaged in forming and imperialism of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expand their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus by discreet action, we can assure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished.”
From New American, February, 1934.
4/15/2009: We had 7,500+ at our Tax Day Tea Party at the Capitol
7/4/2009: We had 1,200+ at our 4th of July Rally at the Capitol
8/2009: We had thousands show up at representatives offices to say that HR3200 had nothing to do with solving healthcare!
http://www.looktruenorth.com/limited-government/health-care/9304-scenes-from-fridays-health-care-freedom-rallies.html
9/17/2009: We had 1,000+ at our Constitution Day Rally at the Capitol
http://www.looktruenorth.com/culture/immigration/9668-did-you-miss-the-fun-saturday-.html
4/15/2010: We had 3,000+ at our Tax Day Tea Party at the Capitol
Thanks to:
Speakers, performers, exhibitors, attendees and volunteers! All that helped us pull it off too! The state and city officials as well as the folks that helped us promote it and those that showed up to report about it.
Special thanks to:
Event Sound and Lighting
Nature Calls
Midwest
Prior event contributors are:
How it all started in Minnesota….
I first started out by promoting the first “Rick Santelli” nationwide effort after being invited to TCOT Action Project by Michael Patrick Leahy in late January of 2009. I helped promote the 2/27 nationwide effort and was on the conference calls from the beginning… Sandra Crosnoe, Shelly Dawdy, Amy Kremmer, etc…
On April 15th, 2009 Minnesota had 12 tea parties [that we know of]
http://teapartymn.com/past-tea-party-events/tax-day-tea-party/
We had a tremendous amount of help. I could not have done it without Cinn [website, database, first contact, volunteer coord, online promo, gap filler inner] and Jeanette Cope [online promo, monitor coord]. There were many organizers and we also worked very hard on the St. Paul Rally simultaneously with Margaret Lee [9/12 organizer], Dave Johannes [blogger], and many more wonderful hard working people from all parties!
Then we launched a series of campaigns and tea parties throughout the rest of the year.
Throughout the summer MNTPP launched a series of campaigns to coincide with the nationwide campaigns such as Town Hall meetings, Health Care Freedom Rallies and many other events.
Meanwhile Rochester, Brainerd, St. Cloud, Mankato, Owatanna, North Branch, Thief River Falls, Duluth and Milaca have been doing their part and holding regular meetings and events. There are many groups that do not feel the need to be on the radar and are just focused on getting the ground covered or their particular issue solved.
Once it was clear that the tea party was going into a partisan direction and funneling people into a particular party camp, Toni Backdahl resigned from all national groups and affiliations.
Toni had received many threats from local existing organizations and religious community members for staying true to JUSTICE AND LIBERTY FOR ALL. There has been many attempts to defame and destroy Toni’s reputation because she wouldn’t submit to one group think or another. Toni did not raise any funds except to cover the costs of the events held. The reason being was she had received tremendous pressure from existing organizations to NOT pull from their revenue pool. Toni is not a member of any organization and never will be.
Site created by: Toni Backdahl on 3/10/2009 Toni was the state coordinator for Tea Party Patriots from the beginning until 7/10 when she resigned due to TPP partnerships with American Solutions and Freedom Works. Toni has been working with national organizers since the nationwide effort began and has been working locally on fiscal responsibility since 2001. Toni attended the McNight Foundations “Together for Change”, where a diverse group of community leaders come together to learn how to meat the needs and to preserve their communities without violence.
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Your Representatives need to hear from you!
Did you know that the correspondence they receive from you is scored? Yep, they have to keep track of it and report it to Washington, DC.
Your in person visit gets the highest score! Yes! That is right! If you can’t get an appointment, show up anyway! Heck they keep better hours than most churches! 8-5 Monday thru Friday! Stop by at lunch any day of the week! They will be there! Bring your letter of concern! Don’t use someone elses words, use your own! No cheating! This is too important.
Organize in your fellow Americans in your own neighborhood! Fill all delegate seats for your neighborhood precincts. Do not let the parties intimidate you. Represent your people in all parties. If you find that your party is not following the rules, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Caution: DO NOT GET IN A TRAP! Are you pushing a global or national agenda you know little about? You may be labeled a terrorist.
You can hold book clubs, meetings regarding city, school board, county and state fiscal accountability or many other types of meetings on local, county, state related issues. Hold classes on how to be a precinct captain or poll watcher, participate in your party, how to talk to your representatives, constitution or technology classes. Email your event to me and we will try to get it posted. Contact toni@movingmn.com
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To get it listed on this site, please contact toni@movingmn.com
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How could Ron Paul NOT be endorsed by the Tea Party?
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/house/members/
Tea Parties across America are uniting. http://usteapartyunited.org and find your State. http://mn.usteapartyunited.org for Minnesota. Register and become part of the solution
Hello everyone.
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It’s entitled “I-29″, takes place in eastern North Dakota, and deals with a young man’s transformation from apathy to engagement. It describes the dynamics by which many people come to discover their own personal political homes.
And I’m sure this group would be VERY interested in reading it.
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Thanks for reading!
Hello Tea Party
I wanted to invite your group to my new website; http://www.SFormo.com I am asking tea party groups to please send me your news headlines for my new website. I have already added a link to yours on my site. If possible, please add my website link to your site. Thanks and please let other Tea Party groups know about the site.
Thanks,
Keep the faith,
Mike
http://www.SFormo.com
585 815 9147
An open invitation to debate Socialist Alternative Minnesota!
To whom is may concern,
In recent months, events in Wisconsin and across the country have posed, more sharply than ever, basic questions over the role of government, business, and trade unions in society. More and more, fundamental philosophic debates feature into the immediate policy conflicts within elected governing institutions. The words “capitalism” and “socialism” have re-entered mainstream political dialogue again.
However, while both right and left commentators endlessly denounce each other in the media, there is rarely space created for serious, genuine, and direct debate on the major issues. That is why we are looking to organize such a debate at our annual “Socialist Minnesota” conference scheduled for May 21st.
We are writing to invite you to participate in this debate, bringing a conservative voice to the table. In past years, our “Socialist Minnesota” conferences have brought well over 100 people, and this year we are optimistic even more will come. This will be an opportunity to present your views to an audience that conservative voices rarely have direct access to.
If you are interested in participating in this debate, or have further questions about the details, please get back to us soon since we are also contacting others for the same purpose. Contact Ty Moore, staff organizer for Socialist Alternative in Minnesota, at 612-760-1980 or by emailing mn@socialistalternative.org.
Sincerely,
Chris Gray
Socialist Alternative, Twin Cities Branch
Like the president, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other members of congress, do not have to go through a background investigation in order to get a security clearance even if they may have controversial backgrounds and associations by virtue of the fact that they get elected to high office in Washington, D.C..
I’ve just confirmed with AMC Theatres in Eden Prairie (Eden Prairie Center) that they will be showing Atlas Shrugged Part 1 – opening day is Friday April 15th.
AMC will determine how long to run the movie based on attendance over opening weekend.
Let’s make every effort to show up and sell out each showing.
David,
Thanks for the heads-up about the AMC’s showing of Atlas Shrugged. You’re right, let’s all attend the showing.
Gentlepersons,
Don’t you have a senator Al Franken who just barely squeaked in on the coattails of the Obama tsunami? The tsunami has pretty much blown out; have you started the recall petitions yet?
Respectfully,
ed.
Tea Party: Slay the worst of the worst in 2012 Democrat Primaries
By Kevin R. Lewis
Tea Party patriots, it our duty to best leverage our activism in 2012.
Not only can we with independents and level headed Democrats oust President Obama from the ballot in the 2012 Democrat primaries, we can have an equally significant effect by removing long time super left Democrats as nominees for House and Senate seats as well.
Starting in January 2011, as a result of the midterm election, almost all prognosticators say the Democrat caucus is going to get a lot smaller and that is good, but it also is going be even further left, which is terrible.
America needs to have all hands on deck, and “progressives” are, by their very far left nature, divisive – look at Obama. Progressives do not agree with the vast majority of Americans that we need a smaller, less costly and less intrusive federal government. What stronger message could be sent in 2012 than that the people are not going tolerate progressives at the federal level any longer, even as Democrats?
Therefore, the Tea Party should unify its resolve, with respect to the primary season in 2012, to enter fray on the Democrat side and knock off the ballot entrenched ultra liberals, as well as the super duper liberal Obama.
It is the best play for the Tea Party. It is the best play for independents. It is the best play for level headed Democrats, you know, the few who still believe in free enterprize and limited governent. And it is the best play for America. America has not been helped over the years by the very expensive “yes” votes of the politicians I suggest be targeted for defeat in the primaries, where our activism is most influential.
Partially because 2012 Democrats will howl louder than the 2010 Republicans when we enter the fray in their primaries, it must be done. It is down to us to slay the worst of the worst in the 2012 primaries, and it is obvious they reside in the Democrat primaries. Please do your part.
To Whom It May Concern:
Having been unemployed for well over a year, I’ve had some time on my hands. I have devoted some of it to song-writing.
For those who are opposed to the leftist politics of the Obama administration, I have composed a tasteful and entertaining musical satire with a lively rhythm and clever lyrics. Please take a few minutes to listen, and then share it freely with like-minded people.
We’ve leaned too far to the left.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pastimeless#p/u/6/w6VdCWXCKTQ
Sincerely,
Joe Kozdra
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Stay the course!
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I’m afraid all this protest will be for nothing if we don’t use what is going on as a teaching moment. This is the greatest opportunity all lovers of freedom have to point out the liberal control over our information. Americans are desparate to try and understand how they were duped into voting for Obama. It is now time to question our media and make them responsible for the wrong road they have lead us down. I want to see a show were someone confronts our news anchors and questions them on the distortions they report. How about a show charting how our education system has been changing history to justify their Socialist ideology. Come on people, Now is the time for truth, and only the truth shall set us free.
im currently in washington d.c. right now representing Minnesota, for i was born and raised in MN. there are many who are asking for contact with a minnesota tea party n are wondering if there is anyones infornation to get in contact with one. god bless
This Friday Tom Emmer will be flying around the state talking about the state budget and taxes. Please use the tools at your disposal to help us spread the word! Thank you!!
Mark Buesgens, Chairman
Emmer for Governor
952/562-2600
Taxes & Budget
Fly-Around
Friday, July 30, 2010
9:00 – 9:30 am Press Conference MN State Capitol
10:45 – Noon Mankato Tax Rally
Mankato Plaza Mall
11 Civic Center Plaza
Suite 100
Speakers begin at 11:00am
2:00 – 3:15 pm Detroit Lakes Tax Rally
Becker County Fair Grounds
1310 Rossman Avenue, Detroit Lakes, MN
Speakers begin at 2:15pm
4:45 – 6:00 pm Duluth Tax Rally
Skyline Lanes
4894 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811
Speakers begin at 5:00pm
6:00 – 9:00 pm Twin Cities Tax Rally
O’Gara’s Bar & Grill
164 Snelling Ave N
St Paul, MN 55104-6748
Band – The Red Neck Hippies
WHAT IS YOUR GROUP DOING TO GET VOTERS OUT ON
AUGUST 10, 2010 PRIMARY MN
NOVEMBER 2, 2010 GENERAL MN
THIS IS A BIG ELECTION AND EVERY GRO0UP SHOULD BE READY TO HELP WITH
PHONE CALLS ETC
CHECK OUT http://www.Patriotvoting.com
They need a state coordinator. Anyone
Qualified??????????????
I am a member of the Pine Area Tea Party group
Hi, All,
I found the below-linked article to be worthwhile reading. It provides insight into the tea party movement of which we are a part. I hope everyone is well… best wishes to you all.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/two-faces-tea-party
Great article! Thanks for sharing!
I highly recommend the article to which I’ve provided a link:
http://www.doczero.org/2010/06/night-of-the-yeoman/#more-14551
New Survey:
http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2xfpzcjgab7xjrb/start
Last Survey:
http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2v286j1g89n6onr/results
Thanks to Don Mashak for sharing on FB
Reflections:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will052710.php3
The West Sub. meeting had six people at it with no leader. What happened?
If you are talking about the one at Ridegdale livrary, My understanding is their was a conflicting political event of the Republicans… The meeting is to me resceduled but I dont know what day it is suppose to br. Pershpas Toni knows.
As Don stated, the meeting was canceled due to a conflict with the Republican Liberty Caucus. Their convention was the same date/time at a nearby location.
Although the Tea Party Patriots are non-partisan, I decided it would be courteous to defer to the RLC’s previously scheduled event, since their guiding principles are nearly identical (limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free enterprise vs. limited government, fiscal responsibility, and individual freedom). It would have undermined the purpose of my event to place interested parties in the position of having to choose between the two.
The April 12th date was posted for just over 24 hours and canceled as soon as the conflict was brought to my attention. I sent a communique to the 12 individuals who had RSVP’d in that time, explaining the reason for the cancellation.
I apologize for the confusion. I had no idea so many would respond to a post that was up for such a short amount of time, and thought I had contacted all those who were interested in coming. In the future, if there is a reason to cancel an event, I will make sure I or someone else is present to inform any who may not get the message.
Our first meeting is now scheduled for May 10th at 7pm at Ridgedale Library. I hope you and the others who came can attend.
Please visit the Articles of Freedom Website;sign the pledge and show up at the state capitol and take part in one of the most important historical events of our time. The Articles of Freedom are the work of the 2009 Continental Congress. On Patriots Day Apr. 19th, 1p.m., We The People, will deliver the Articles of Freedom to our servants in government. We begin the great process to restore the constitutional republic to what the founders intended. God Bless A Free America! (Tyranny)
http://twincities.indymedia.org/2010/apr/monapr57pm-mtg-toplan-protest-tea-party
Hello Everyone!
Sponsorship Package:
http://movingmn.com/tpp/MNTPPApril2010_Sponsorship.pdf
Keep It Moving Baby! Package $500
Lets Get ‘er Done! Package $250
Tax Day or Bust! Package $100
Exhibition Package:
http://movingmn.com/tpp/MNTPPApril2010_Exhibition.pdf
Candidate table: $25
Org/Group table: $25
Merchant table: $100
Thank you for passing on the event information and the packages we are offering to help fund the event!
We are also accepting donations at the event and via mail at:
Minnesota Tea Party Patriots
PO Box 41392
Minneapolis, MN 55441
Not tax deductible
A Town Hall Meeting to discuss Politics in your Community
April 10th, 2010 at Sunnyside Cafe! YUM!
$9.95 for breakfast
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Minneapolis-MN/Minnesota-Tea-Party-Patriots/163480372562#!/event.php?eid=106599292709413&ref=mf
Also, can someone tell me why we need S 417? Click here for Text of S. 417: State Secrets Protection Act
and why does it have the following clause?
“SEC. 3. SEVERABILITY.
If any provision of this Act, any amendment made by the Act, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstances is held to be invalid, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by the Act, and the application of such provisions to persons or circumstances other than those to which it is held invalid, shall not be affected thereby.”
The below-pasted link is a “must see” for every one of us in the Tea Party movement, and it is an informative video to everyone on this site– whether or not you’re a member of this movement.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/04/04/dana-loesch-government-run-media-trying-kill-tea-party-messengers
The below-pasted text is a partial transcript from the video (above link) and is taken from the article [Credit to newsbusters.org].
DANA LOESCH: I think that there is, there is a huge effort underway right now by government-run media and by the Left to use any tactic that they can whatsoever to invalidate the message of the Tea Party movement. So, they’re trying to go after like the fringe, or this or that. There’s, with, I said this before, with any huge group of people, be they on the right or the left, you’re always going to have folks that are a little bit on the fringe.
And I know, for instance, like with a lot of the Tea Party stuff, some of them aren’t even our friends. Some of them are like Lyndon LaRouche plants that have come up. That’s well-documented. We’ve had, in St. Louis, we’ve even had people, we’ve had liberal plants come with Nazi signs, and they’ve tried to have their photos taken by like charity vans if we’ve done like food drives or anything. I mean, I mean there’s a lot of instances such as this, but there’s a huge effort to try to invalidate the message of individual liberty and limited government that this Tea Party movement is bringing, and since they can’t kill the message, they’re trying to kill the messenger.
Wayne
I think the strategy is this:
Frame TEA as angry extremists while simultaneously offering COFFEE as the civil alternative to try and put the genie back in the bottle.
The McCain-Lieberman “Enemy Belligerent” bill which essentially makes any form of speaking out against the government illegal.
Fortunately, MSM has a shrinking viewership that goes in hand with the current party in power so it will be viewed as a naked attempt at quelling legitimate anger in the public.
Of course with a little research you find out that the organizer of COFFEE isn’t a new activist but rather worked aggressively for BO and Jim Webb in the previous election cycle, used to work for the New York times as a Strategy Analyst 1999-2000 (omitted from her recent NYTIMES interview), and as far as civility goes she stated following the MASS election that the “teabaggers” need to be stopped:
http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/03/03/ny-times-washington-post-hide-phony-coffee-party-astroturf-roots-at-the-ny-times/
TEA can make itself far less vulnerable if liberty groups shift strategy from primarily reacting to what’s happening to start setting the tone by promoting solutions and making one or two their primary tasks complete with making videos, blog posts, rallies, etc. focused on those views.
It becomes a lot harder to point a group as racists when they’re actively working to impose term limits, etc.
I wonder if anyone is preparing a database of somesort of those groups preparing to infiltrate and disrupt Tea Party event? I have heard of two groups formed to do just that…http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/ is one…
I am bringing my camera to the April 15 event, for the sole purpose of documenting any disturbance that might happen.
The Balance of Power at the Capitol Don Mashak | Almanac: At the Capitol http://bit.ly/bYxGqM #teaparty #MNJRA #Quie ##tpp #tcot #sgp #912C
Minnesota – Rule of Law, Whim of Judges or Might makes Right? – http://tinyurl.com/yzyg3ww #teaparty #1stamendment #religion #MNJRA #tpp #mn
thomasnotpaine, why do you have this fixation on killing babies? Why do you want to control baby women unto death?
Fascism is a Statist ideology, you are being unbearably absurd to state that being against fascism is somehow neo-fascist.
There are only three things wrong with the health care reform bill that was recently passed;
1) It is un-Constitutional
2) We can’t afford it
3) It is was passed illegally.
http://ibnn.org/gop_rnc_republican-party/
I found this article interesting:
Tea Partiers Embrace Liberty Not Big Government
By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
March 31, 2010
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Tea-partiers-embrace-liberty-not-big-government-89556562.html
Over the past 14 months, our political debate has been transformed into an argument between the heirs of two fundamental schools of political thought, the Founders and the Progressives. The Founders stood for the expansion of liberty and the Progressives for the expansion of government.
It’s an argument that has been going on for a century but was largely dormant over the quarter-century of low-inflation economic growth that followed the Reagan tax cuts. It’s been raised again by the expand-government policies of the Obama administration and Democratic congressional leaders.
Those policies, thoroughly in line with the Progressive tradition, have been advanced by liberal elites in government, media, think tanks and academia. The opposition, roughly in line with the Founders tradition, has been led by the non-elites who spontaneously flocked to tea parties and town halls. Republican politicians have been scrambling to lead these protesters.
The conservative rebellions of the late 1970s and middle 1990s were focused on taxes. The tea partiers are focusing on the expansion of government — and its threat to the independence of citizens.
The first mention of tea parties came in February 2009 from CNBC’s Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, when he asked “if we really want to subsidize the losers’ mortgages? How many of you people want to pay your neighbor’s mortgage, that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills?” Then he called for a Chicago tea party.
This struck a chord. Tea partiers began to dress in 18th century costumes — political re-enactors — and brandished the “Don’t tread on me” flag. They declared their independence by opposing Progressive policies that encourage dependence on government.
The Progressives have always assumed that people needed safety nets and would welcome dependence on government. The public’s clear rejection of the Democratic health care bills has shown that this assumption was unwarranted. Americans today prefer independence to dependence on government, just as they did 200 years ago.
All this was supposed to have been consigned to the past long ago. The Progressives of the early 1900s — Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, New Republic founder Herbert Croly — argued that in an industrial era of mass production and giant businesses, ordinary people were helpless and needed government’s guiding hand. It would be more efficient, they argued, for centralized, disinterested experts to administer national institutions than to let chaotic markets operate freely and to observe the Constitution’s horse-and-buggy limits on government power. The Founders were out of date.
The Progressives had their way for much of the 20th century. But it became apparent that centralized experts weren’t disinterested, but always sought to expand their power. And it became clear that central planners can never have the kind of information that is transmitted instantly, as Friedrich von Hayek observed, by price signals in free markets.
It turned out that centralized experts are not as wise and ordinary Americans are not as helpless as the Progressives thought. By passing the stimulus package and the health care bills the Democrats produced expansion of government. But voters seem to prefer expansion of liberty.
The Progressives’ scorn for the Founders has not been shared by the people. First-rate books about the Founders have been best-sellers. And efforts to dismiss the Founders as slaveholders, misogynists or homophobes have been outweighed by the resonance of their words and deeds.
The Declaration of Independence’s proclamation that “all men are created equal” with “unalienable rights” to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” has proved to be happily elastic. It still sings to us today, thanks to the struggles and sacrifices of many Americans who gave blacks and women the equality denied to them in 1776.
In contrast, the early Progressives’ talk of an “industrial age” and an outmoded Constitution sounds like the language of an age now long past. Their faith in centralized planning seems naive in a time when one unpredicted innovation after another has changed lives for the better.
Polls and recent election results tell us that racial minorities and the so-called “educated class” — the people who expect their kind will administer centralized institutions — still take the side of the Progressives. Most Americans, however, are rejecting the path of dependence and are intent on declaring their independence once again.
Michael Barone, the Washington Examiner’s senior political analyst, can be contacted at mbarone@washingtonexaminer.com. His columns appear Wednesday and Sunday, and his stories and blog posts appear on http://www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com.
Emptysuit.com has the health care takeover spelled out somewhat. You can see it by going to http://emptysuit.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/summer-health-care-reform-bill-h-r-4872
Especially pay attention to Section 2104 and ask yourself why that’s in a supposed health care bill.
Patty Hahn –
Thanks for the link to “empty suit”. I waded through some of the health-care “reform” bill, and I’ll keep wadding until I get a deeper understanding of it. This bill must be repealed. And everyone who voted for it must be voted out of office.
Once the Amercian people learn about the beneficial things in this bill, I want to see you teabaggers try and repeal these provisions:
-Insurance companies may no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on people’s insurance coverage.
-Insurance companies may not exclude children because of pre-existing conditions.
-Insurers cannot drop a customer because of illness.
-Young adults can stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26.
-A prescription drug rebate goes into effect aiming to close the so-called Medicaid “donut hole.”
-New plans must provide coverage for preventative services without co-pays.
-A 10% tax on tanning salon services takes effect. (The John Boehner tax)
-Businesses with fewer than 50 employees get tax credits to cover part of their health care insurance costs.
So, let’s see how far you get when you have to deal with the TRUTH of what is in the bill.
Gene
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LOL for the most part some inexpensive common sense reforms there Mr. nowhereclosetothomaspaine
Pray tell now what the other 2999 pages says and why it costs more than a trillion $$
Govt funded abortion maybe? Seems to me that The libs were so frothed up about their right to commit infanticide they wouldn’t back off even to save their govt takeover of the health care system. Resorting to lies threats and intimidation against other democrats instead.
An amazing commitment to their core liberal lack of principals
LOL wait until young working people realize that the burden will be on them for the have nots, do nots, millions of illegals and that their granparents are getting screwed.
All you have to do to bring this house of cards down young people is pay the fine and refuse to participate. You can always sign up if you get ill.
Not to worry..there will be affordable and accessible health care for Americans. In Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand.
America is awake and there is a restored conservative movement. We will hold our new representatives to their campaign promises and conservative principles. But I hope when the GOP takes power again, they will take a page from Alinsky and go freaking radical on these neo-commies. Drive them back to the dark damp place they scurried out from.
The marriage penalty, the fact that all these “great things” are unaffordable, the mass realization that all we have to do is remove the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE to lower costs, improve care, and CREATE JOBS (remember those) all without spending $100′s of BILLIONS is what people aren’t going to like about this bill.
Another major mistake is to think that COVERAGE equals CARE.
This bill will actually shrink the number of doctors available to cover a larger amount of patients, so the “happy feelings” over this bill will quickly disappear.
This bill reveals a fundamental difference in psychology between supporters and opponents.
Supporters of this health bill seem to equate CONTROLLING people with HELPING people.
While opponents see it as the opposite in a classic give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day compared to teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.
Michael,
First of all “teabagger” is a vile hate-speech term. Please don’t use it.
Secondly, I would be delighted if we could get all of the benefits for free, without the negatives. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the true nature of the bill, or of arithmetic.
Again, you are spouting what Limbaugh and Palin have told you to think INSTEAD of what is actually in the bill.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has scored the Health Reform bill as actually bringing down the deficit $1.3 trillion over the next twenty years. This is entirely understandable when you consider that instead of having to utilize high cost emergency rooms, people will have access to health insurance that they can use in medical clinics or community health centers.
The only Republican plan I saw was to allow health insurance companies to sell policies in any state, free from state regulation. Talk about taking rights away from states, if you believe so strongly in that principle! The Health Reform bill will establish exchanges within each state where health insurance companies can sell policies that don’t rip people off and have minimum benefits attached to them. Republicans wanted insurance companies to sell policies without regulation, and of course many people would be ripped off because they would take people’s premiums and then cancel the policy if a claim was made. The Republican plan would have only provided insurance for 3 million people instead of the 30 million people who will get coverage now according to the CBO.
Republicans are not committed to ending pre-existing conditions or the cap on lifetime benefits. And if you are so intent on preserving the insurance companies, they will all go broke unless there is a mandate for people to purchase health insurance because people would just wait until they are ill to purchase insurance.
And who are you to talk about “pro life” when you apparently don’t give a damn about the 45,000 people each year who die because of a lack of health insurance and the 900,000 plus people who file bankruptcy each year because of medical expenses they couldn’t pay. You are not “pro life”
I question this neo-fascist hatred of government. Remember, the preamble to the Constitution says “We the People” so if you don’t trust the people then you are spitting on the Constitution. Perhaps you would have joined the Confederacy, but people like you LOST, so GET OVER IT!
Speaking of talking points the CBO debt neutral one is a classic because it does not include the “Doctor Fix” that will be necessary down the road which runs around $300+ Billion which negates the “deficit neutral” label.
And speaking of the CBO, it’s worth pointing out that they forecast 90% of US GDP going to pay off debt by 2020. That is by definition BAD.
The fact everyone has cheap and good car insurance which has costs and regular maintenance equivalent to cars without requiring non drivers to pay into the insurance pool is proof that cross state competition is the solution.
As for the 45,000 who die every year from lack of insurance, get ready to see that number skyrocket under this plan since coverage DOES NOT equal care. The fact that Canada has a lower survival rate for cancer compared to the US is proof of this.
“We won you lost?” That’s two years ago and the latest contests in VA, NJ, MA (and a whole lot more to come) proof otherwise.
The fact you can’t comprehend that those who put this current Congress/administration into power in ’08 are now amongst it’s most fierce critics does not bode well for your ideology.
As for “neo-fascist” ideology, it would be ideal for both the left and the right to realize that we’re all dealing with the same party no matter who’s “in control” of government since both are bent on seizing as many civil liberties as possible whether in the name of National Security of Domestic Issues.
Funny you mentioned Pro Life given that this bill will empower Planned Parenthood (executive orders cannot change laws so the Stupak Buyoff will not stand).
That’s significant because Planned Parenthood is actually the largest racist organization in the country wiping about over 1,000 African American babies per day with over 2/3′s of their clinics located in minority neighborhoods.
Since African Americans only make up about 13% of the population, it is astounding that a black child is FIVE TIMES more likely to be aborted than a white child. It’s essentially ethnic cleansing right here in the United States.
Prior to it being called Planned Parenthood it was known as the “Euthanasia Society” whose founders like Margaret Singer advocated the tactic as a means of wiping out “genetic weeds”, especially blacks and that the key was to get black leaders on board to convince in order to convince the rest of their group to come along.
Case in point is Jesse Jackson who was avidly PRO-LIFE until he was offered a future presidential bid to get him to change his tune.
More really jacked up stats at http://blackgenocide.org
Comparing the markets for auto insurance to health insurance is not a valid comparison, at least before the Health Insurance Reform bill passed. First of all, car insurance companies are much more regulated than Republicans are proposing for health insurance companies. YOU MUST be given coverage for auto insurance through a high risk pool if an insurance company cannot be found that will issue a policy. There are regulations on minimum benefits and coverage that an individual must be offered. There is an individual mandate to buy coverage. So, it is confusing that you would not support the same type of regulations for health insurance companies that auto insurance companies must comply with. The Health Care Reform bill attempts to regulate health insurance companies in a way that auto insurance is regulated, so you really should be supportive if this is the model you want to showcase.
You fixation on abortion indicates that you really have a problem with wanting to control women. You are against the government coming between someone and their doctor, EXCEPT when it comes to the privacy of a woman who must make a difficult choice to terminate a pregnancy. If you don’t like abortion than convince your wife not to have one, but don’t presume you can make that decision for an entire society. If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get married to someone of the same sex, but don’t tell millions of other people that they have no right to be married because they are gay.
The most cost effective AND the health system with the best outcomes for patients is the Medicare and Medicaid systems which you apparently hate, along with the VA care system, which is totally government run. These outcomes are a matter of fact, and so your ideological trashing of government run insurance or government run health care are simply false.
Again the reason why the car insurance comparison is valid is because that’s how health insurance used to work decades ago prior to the government induced chaos of today.
Ever notice how things like PS3′s, Plasma TV’s, etc. all start out expensive and then become affordable for everyone? It’s the result of selling in volume combined with innovation which this bill will be reducing.
I don’t know your background, but in free markets you’ll always find those who cater to high risk clients because there’s money in it. But here’s the thing, the reason why high risk patients are so expensive is because of prices being jacked up by things like ambulance chasing lawyers and medicare which pays only 60-70% of it’s costs with the rest getting passed on to private insurers.
Medicare is approaching bankruptcy which does not bode well for your argument. And no, the V.A. is not a good system, and that’s based on Veterans telling me so. I know one who has permanent liver damage as a result of being fed a steady concoction of pills for a recurring war injury instead of receiving the proper care someone with private insurance would receive.
I brought up the abortion issue simply because I was floored when I found out that those crying racism 24/7 any time someone disagrees with them are in fact the ones carrying ACTUAL RACISM by targeting African Americans with ethnic cleansing.
Now for the kicker, as if this bill were bad enough. Are you aware of SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS. (See the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act, page 1312)
It creates a FRIGGIN private army for the president as mentioned in one of his campaign speeches.
It’s supposed to be in the name of medical emergencies, but what says opponents are declared a “disease” (sarcasm…I hope) or some kind of executive order is made in the middle of the night like the January Council of Governors order or the mid December UN Immunity order.
Here’s the text itself and highlights the reason why everyone SHOULD be in opposition of ANY billed more than 10 pages that gets passed through Congress right now:
See the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act, page 1312:
SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT–
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
[Note here that those personally appointed by BO -- without advice and consent of the Senate -- automatically become a part of the Regular Corps. Ed.]
(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.
A government willing to steal our provisions, is willing to deny us provisions. Theft is not charity. Charity cannot be forced. Big government equals little freedom.
Wayne and Don, one of the main differences between the Tea and Coffee parties is that the Coffee Party does not have a short set of principles or positions to which one must adhere to be a member. The only requirement is that we deal with each other with respect and be civil in our interactions.
Yes, Don, I’ll agree that one of the founding concepts is that “government is not our enemy”… but we only say that because we live in a democracy, with one person one vote, and whatever the government is today is what we collectively made it through the voting process. If the government appears to be against us, it’s because we have let it become what it is. It’s OUR fault, not the institution’s.
Finally, we do not believe it necessary to oppose the Tea Party, but we do believe it is necessary to have the opportunity for conservatives and liberals to meet at a common table and talk about how their ideas differ and why.
And may I add, that THIS behavior is precisely what the Coffee Party is opposed to:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html
http://www.facebook.com/#!/toninobologny?v=feed&story_fbid=106583829366229
I always encourage dialogue! I reject all labels, they just divide and conker all chances for honest dialogue.
Uncle B –
I read the Huffington Post “article”. The Huffington Post and the Associated Press ran with the story based on nothing more than a charge — made by someone with a vested interest in making that claim — that such epithets were hurled. I seriously doubt such language was used, especially by a member of the tea party movement.
I have no way of knowing whether or not such language was used, and if it was used, was it a member of the tea party or someone “planted” within the group of protesters — and the thing is, neither do you. There sure were lots of cameras there, you’d think someone would have caught that behavior on camera. So far, I see no such proof. Have you?
To wit: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025884.php
Remember when Tawana Brawley lied about being raped by white men?
To wit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley
Remember those brutish, white lacrosse players from Duke University who were wrongly accused of raping Crystal Gail Mangum, an exotic dancer?
To wit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_team_rape
I’m sure you and the members of the Coffee Party would never allow yourselves to reach a judgment about any group — blacks, Hispanics, tea party members — without substantial and unbiased proof. Certainly, you’re better than that…right?
No malice intended, but when you come to this site, please bring your ‘A’ game.
Respectfully,
Wayne
Uncle B,
We do not live in a democracy, we live in a representative Republic…
And if Government were not to be feared, Why did the Founding Fathers state in the constititution, All powers specifically not given to the Federal Government here are reserved for the states and the people.
Please read my article “I am a conservative trapped in a liberal body” http://tinyurl.com/yf5mz9t
What part of the failure of the USSR don’t you get? Or North Korea if you prefer?
Bureaucrats become tyrants… You don’t think they will give favors to their friends and relatives? You don’t think that it will become common place to have to bribe a bureaucrat for you to get medical care for yourself or your family?
And what happens when the day comes that you come to call your Senator or House Rep and they pull up the file on you and tell you no. They dont tell you why they said no, they just tell you know. But in reality, they have a file which says you did not vote for them or their party in the past election? Or your relative blew the whistle on government corruption there nephew got convicted for? Or or or…
How can you protest a government that ration away your health care? your heart transplant? Your kidney dialysis? You hip replacement? Your child’s appendectomy? Your wife’s endometriosys ?
You see, once you get used to receiving handouts, you become dependent on them. And once you are dependent on them, your government can threaten to take them from you to and force you to submit….
As the founding fathers warned…
Those who would trade liberty for security, soon have neither and deserve none.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
To some extent, Don, you are preaching to the choir here. I have many of the same frustrations as you do. And yet, even in a representative Republic, we get what we vote for! The problem is not the system… it’s us.
As DeToqueville said about the American system (I paraphrase), we have now “learned how to vote ourselves largesse from the public treasury”, and we keep right on doing it. WE do it. It’s our fault, not the fault of the Constitution or the Congress or the courts or the Founders… it’s us.
Here are the two main differences I see between the tea party and coffee party
TEA PARTY
1) believes we should provided for ourselves with charity provided to those who have problems as the very last resort.
2) believes all people are fallible and power corrupts and there government should be as small as possible to limit the power they have; ERGO GOVERNMENT I PART OF THE PROBLEM
COFFEE PARTY
1) believes in liberal charity and handouts but fail to understand that we have limited resources and it is stealing to take what my productivity earned and give it to another
2) believes that GOVERNMENT IS THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, not the cause of the problem.
WITH REGARD TO WE THE PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE…
For a few months I quoted the same statement.
However, when the government uses indoctrination, propaganda and censorship to taint WE THE PEOPLES’ perception of reality by censoring negative things and otherwise spinning the news and education to their advantage, i relieve WE THE PEOPLE of some of the responsibility.
In my case, I believed the indoctrination of high school civics; truth, justice and the American way. Because I was taught it was my civic duty to testify truthfully, I testified against a bank that wrongfully repossessed vehicles from 150-200 innocent Minnesota families. I was threatened with destruction of my business, my life and finally death threats. As a result, my life has been destroyed.
Should I fault all the rest of WE THE PEOPLE, who were more perceptive than I and realized the true perception of reality. And don’t testify to avoid suffering a similar fate, or worse, having their wife and children suffer the consequences.
We do not have 2 major political parties. We have one party with two different heads controlled by the same shadowy behind the scenes elements, special interests, big money, power and influence.
The powers that be who are really in charge, simply allow the people the perception of changing the figurehead (voting in a new political party) to circumvent an outright revolution.
Now, when we have educated WE THE PEOPLE as to the true perception of reality and they continue to vote for the status quo, then I will accept your assertion that WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for this mess. When we make our fellow citizens aware of the indoctrination, propaganda and censorship and give them the tools to for critical thinking and they continue to vote foolishly, I will hold WE THE PEOPLE responsible. When WE THE PEOPLE no that we have been duped into thinking there was a change of political party representing a revolution when in reality the same elements remain in power and WE THE PEOPLE continue to vote foolishly, I will hold we the people responsible.
HOWEVER, KNOW THAT ALL TIMES I KNOW THAT THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE TO CORRECT THIS SITUATION AND CAST OFF THE CHAINS OF TYRANNY ARE WE THE PEOPLE.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Don, if this is how you see our representative form of government, as ripe for control by tyrants, then when you are successful in throwing off the tyranny of those who are currently in power, all you will have accomplished is replacing them with another set of tyrants with a different ideology. Yours.
But, you may have the last word on this subject. I yield the floor.
Uncle B
The tea party movement (TPM) is broad and diverse. No single person speaks for the movement. More than anything else, it is a visceral revulsion against the arrogant overreach by our elected representatives to the federal government that unifies members of the TPM.
Clearly I do not speak for Don, but I’ll pick up on one of the threads in his argument, a thread you seem to mock.
Uncle B, you preface your question to Don with what seems a deliberately dishonest supposition: “Don, if this is how you see our representative form of government, as ripe for control by tyrants…”
Your supposition is dishonest because it ignores the overwhelming preponderance of historical evidence, evidence that repeatedly demonstrates how ANY form of government — ours included — is ripe for control by tyrants. Athens, the Greek city-state that is this nation’s model for democracy, was repeatedly taken over by tyrants. Rome began as a virtuous republic, but its citizens allowed it to decay into a tyrannical government. And Hitler was elected by free citizens voting in a democratic election. Therefore, even a lazy high school student knows that the obvious answer to your question is…yes. Without question our representative form of government is ripe for control by tyrants. In fact, a would-be tyrant is our current president.
Uncle B, you follow your supposition with a dubious conclusion: “when [the TPM is] successful in throwing off the tyranny of those who are currently in power, all [we] will have accomplished is replacing them with another set of tyrants with a different ideology. Yours.”
The TPM’s immediate goal is to stop the Democrats from advancing socialism’s foothold in the United States. TPM’s long-term goal is to conserve the freedom and liberty that hundreds of thousands of Americans have died to preserve and protect. That means aligning this nation more closely with its founding principles, principles that ended slavery and upon which Martin Luther King-based his successful civil rights movement. Among those principles is a reverential respect for the individual, individuals who are governed by a representative government, a government that has the consent of the governed, a government that is of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Let’s remember that the founders of this nation understood there is no such thing as an earthly utopia. They designed a constitutional government that purposefully placed obstacles in the path of would-be tyrants and their factions. Hopefully, Americans have re-learned an important lesson — the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I’ll let CS Lewis have a last say before I yield the floor.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
– C. S. Lewis
Wayne, when you say that the Tea Party’s goals are:
“…aligning this nation more closely with its founding principles, principles that ended slavery and upon which Martin Luther King-based his successful civil rights movement. Among those principles is a reverential respect for the individual, individuals who are governed by a representative government, a government that has the consent of the governed, a government that is of the people, by the people, and for the people.”
I would say that those area the Coffee Party’s goals as well. Where we differ is our assessment of where these principles are currently being violated, and the best means to redress those violations. To wit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html
And with this, I again yield the floor – for good this time. The last word is yours, Wayne.
P.S. I am very glad that the Tea Party has not taken on the goal of replacing the Christian Right or the Moral Majority, or else poor Clive Staples Lewis would be rolling over in his grave:
http://web.mit.edu/bcf/www/BSJ97/cslewis.html
Uncle B –
I’ll read the links you included in your response. But I must say, the more I read of your writing, the more transparent you become; that’s a good thing. We need to understand who each other is. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a liberal. It’s apparent in the way you use backhanded compliments; e.g. “P.S. I am very glad that the Tea Party has not taken on the goal of replacing the Christian Right or the Moral Majority, or else poor Clive Staples Lewis would be rolling over in his grave”
In the same vein, I am very glad that you, and by association, your Coffee Party,have not taken on the goal of replacing the Huffington Post’s anti-Semitism or MoveOn.org’s extreme left-wing ideology, or else poor Karl Marx would be rolling over in his grave.
Uncle B:
Just because that is what we currently have, does not mean it must remain now. The founding fathers took their intolerable situation and changed it, albeit by force.
I seek to exhaust all possible political avenues before even considering the only other alternative.
And, and lastly, with regard to replacing the current tryanny with my tyranny, I assure you that is not the case.
In fact, in most things I write along these lines, I end with the following:
I write this article with the same intent as thomas paine.
I seek no leadership role, I seek only to help the American People find their own way using their own common sense.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Once the Amercian people learn about the beneficial things in this bill, I want to see you teabaggers try and repeal these provisions:
-Insurance companies may no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on people’s insurance coverage.
-Insurance companies may not exclude children because of pre-existing conditions.
-Insurers cannot drop a customer because of illness.
-Young adults can stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26.
-A prescription drug rebate goes into effect aiming to close the so-called Medicaid “donut hole.”
-New plans must provide coverage for preventative services without co-pays.
-A 10% tax on tanning salon services takes effect. (The John Boehner tax)
-Businesses with fewer than 50 employees get tax credits to cover part of their health care insurance costs.
So, let’s see how far you get when you have to deal with the TRUTH of what is in the bill.
Gene
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The Tenth Amendment Lives!
Across the country state legislatures are introducing bills saying that the requirement to buy health insurance that is in the proposed health care bill now before Congress is in violation of the Tenth Amendment.
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=18906
http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2600775%3ABlogPost%3A2068249&commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2068256&xg_source=activity
Go to these websites and read the good news.
There is an Americans for Prosperity National tele-town hall tonight, featuring Congressman Mike Pence, 3rd ranking Republican in the House. Join in tonight at 8 p.m. ET by calling (888) 356-3090, Ext. 14326#. http://www.AmericansforProsperity.org
According to Americans for Prosperity:
“We’ll brief you on key undecided House members, detail the likely timeline to be used by Speaker Pelosi, and Congressman Pence will walk through conservative alternatives along with his exchanges in recent weeks with President Obama.”
You mean the Washington DC lobbyist group “Americans for Prosperity” that together with other lobbying groups created the tea party “movement” that you pretend is grass roots?
Ask yourself… Where’s the real tea party planning done now? It’s all on the teapartypatriots site created by the FreedomWorks lobbyist group created by Republicans.
You are pawns of corporate lobbyist groups and Republicans. Soon you’ll line up and vote Republican like loyal servants.
Scott,
I appreciate you bringing this up! While the election process is completely necessary, I reject all nudging and muscling around I get from these groups! Many of us jumped ship in 3/09 because we knew exactly what was going on… I did not know what I was dealing with until recently! LOL – Shows how much I know! I never been in a party and I never will be now!
I say HELL NO to being a useful idiot! All party people are pawns! If you don’t agree it is because you are defending your existence in the party!
I have an idea. Instead of watching a “town hall”, please take some time to read “The Peoples History of the Unites States”. by Howard Zinn. I believe that if you don’t really know the history of this country, wraping yourself in the Constitution is rather empty & meaningless. If you want to know how your government works no matter who is in charge, watch “The Betrayal of Democracy” by William Greider. As someone once remarked “A mind is a terrible thing to waste”.
Richard,
I read your 3/12 post today (3/25). My, my, Richard! Where to begin? Normally I simply ignore the ratings of an empty head (I tolerate empty-headers because ranters spewing Leftist talking points are obvious products of the chronic and complete failure that passes as the American education system today).
But you posted your rant on a Tea Party site, passing yourself off as a member, when in fact you resemble more the hoax dressed in “Tea Party member” clothing, and that’s where my patience and tolerance ends. Perhaps you should seriously consider “someone” you mentioned in your rant who remarked “A mind is a terrible thing to waste” was talking to you? Perhaps, yes.
Your stated “idea” makes me question if perhaps you aren’t more a far-Leftist apologist than an embracer of Tea Party principles? Certainly if one reads every page of Professor Zinn’s piece of trash (which laughingly passes for academic achievement today) they come away no more knowledgeable of the history of this country than if they attended that “town hall” you so easily dismiss as a waste of time. Certainly after reading Zinn they come away more submerged under the spell of far-Left, Marxist, progressive, even socialist disinformation than if they had attended that “town hall” gathering.
Howard Zinn was an unapologetic Marxist socialist defender. He possessed a reprobate mind, and wrote a reprobate rag that all of academia falls over themselves, scrambling to kiss his ring. The fact that academia today loves something should be a warning to freedom loving people; not an accolade but a well earned indictment of academia. Those who truly understand academia today find anything embraced by academia with both arms wrapped around it as something to be quite wary of.
If you point people to a book on American history, a better historical reference would be “A Patriot’s History of the United States: From Columbus’s Great Discovery to the War on Terror” by Larry Schweikart and Michael Allen. It provides a more accurate historical narrative than Howard Zinn’s Marxist apologetic. William Bennett’s two-volume “America – The Last Best Hope” is another good book source for the seriously-minded seeker of truth in American history over the ravings of reprobate revisionists personified by Zinn. Neither book I mentioned is popular with academia or the failed education system in America today. I’ll read those books rejected by contemporary elites in American academia over Zinn any day, and twice on Sunday!
I would suggest that it is YOU who needs to bone up a bit and gain in wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Your education can begin now. I suggest visiting the Discover The Networks profile on Howard Zinn as a good place to start your education: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=939
Feel free to visit this site frequently until the scales begin to fall of your eyes and you “see” for the first time. David Horowitz (you know – the 60’s Leftist-intellectual-author who walked away from the Left once he saw how morally bankrupt their movement and personalities are) created this site.
Once you are up to speed on the miserable excuse for a human being that was Howard Zinn, then your education should next fill your need to understand Zinn doesn’t even recognize the United States as a nation: http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/12/14/confronting-howard-zinns-anti-american-matrix/
I don’t know which Constitution you refer to as empty and meaningless without having first read Zinn’s piece of trash, but your education should next take you to “The Federalist” – the actual words of James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay where they document their arguments and thought rationale behind their drafting of the Constitution of the United States.
Historians who today are loved in academia all too quickly tell us what our Founders intended, as if we should take these historians at their word because they are, well, historians. “The Federalist” papers allow us to read exactly what the Founders said themselves and decide for ourselves what they intended vice what we are told they intended and what is actually practiced today. That was the whole purpose of Madison, Hamilton and Jay writing them – for the peoples of their time and for us.
But the reading is difficult, so most people pass up reading “The Federalists.” I suppose that’s why you would read Zinn’s false history in lieu of the difficult reading of actual history. You are not alone. A law school professor in Alabama requires his new students to read “The Federalist.” Those graduate-school students complain regularly to the professor about the difficulty of the reading. The sympathetic professor nods, then explains, “The Federalist was not written for someone at your education level; this book was written for the common, average upstate New York farmer of 1787. Perhaps someday you’ll attain the education level of those New York farmers.”
Oh, that we might have access today to that education system!! We had it, once upon a time in America, and we let it slip away from us one well-intentioned but misguided policy, textbook, and curriculum at a time. Instead, today we are a dumb-down, uneducated people, whose empty heads are filled with empty-headed ideology, indoctrination, and disinformation that passes for “truth” today as our education system.
What makes us fools Richard is not what we don’t know. What makes us fools is what we know that “just ain’t so.” We are NOT an educated people – we are an indoctrinated people. How else would you explain our blind acceptance and tolerance of the rights-stealing theology of political correctness of an elitist few now infecting and dominating this country?
You are an obviously intelligent man, but you are not an educated and knowledgeable man (regardless how many sheepskins you post on your wall). You encourage others to read books that do not educate, but indoctrinate. Your indoctrination is complete, and you are now a blind and misled shill for the far-Left elites, admonishing others to also become blind and misled. But, if not truth, then what are you really pushing onto others? You are one of those who in Lenin’s words is nothing more than a “useful idiot.”
In Professor Zinn’s view (quoting from his own writing), Maoist China was “the closest thing, in the long history of that ancient country, to a people’s government, independent of outside control”; Castro’s Cuba “had no bloody record of suppression”; and the Marxist dictators of Nicaragua were “welcomed” by the people, while the opposition Contras, whose candidate triumphed when free elections were held as a result of U.S. pressure, were a “terrorist group” that “seemed to have no popular support inside Nicaragua.”
When you understand what Zinn’s views actually were, you begin to see how fringe they are, and the reprobate mind he possessed. Even if 2 million copies of A People’s History have been sold then his ideas are still fringe. Perhaps at most, 1-2% of Americans actually embrace Zinn’s ideas.
If Howard Zinn had spent his life defending the Nazis would you celebrate him? No, of course not. You’d regard him in similar terms that David Horowitz used in his posts on Zinn’s death. Why then do you and the entire Left celebrate him when his life was dedicated to defending Marxist totalitarians (responsible for 100 million deaths in the 20th century — more than the Nazis) and the modern day Islamic Nazis who seek to wage a new Holocaust?
And your empty-headed idea? You would tell us we must read Zinn’s Marxist apologetic trash BEFORE we can understand the Constitution of the United States? Bottom line: Rather than following your suggestion, I refuse to bring Howard Zinn’s piece of filth under my roof. Rather than feeding my mind out of the trough of filth and refuse you mistaken for knowledge and truth, I will exercise greater discrimination of whose thoughts and ideas I will internalize and proselytize. Rather than embracing your “idea” I will embrace the writings of Madison, Hamilton, and Jay as better sources for understanding American government and Constitutional Law.
While you decry those who “wrap” themselves in the Constitution, you would be better served by seeking to wrap yourself in knowledge of the truth! I would suggest you begin with reading the Gospel of John. Then read it again. Then unlearn everything you had pounded into your empty head by the failed education system that fuels your freely disbursed folksy wisdom and disinformation.
Now go find a new hero Richard. Howard Zinn is a loser. Don’t you become one too.
Wayne,
Americans for Prosperity backed TARP and they are backed by the KOCH Foundation. They like to swallow our grass roots groups whole and they have been putting me under temendous pressure. They will deny every bit of it, however, they do this in all 50 states. They are not unlike their counterparts up at the national level. It all comes down to GOP camp in fighting! We REJECT them nudging us and those who don’t are just party people!
Use their resources but do not be their useful idiots!
Thank-you to Toni and also all the great comments and debate on here. I hope to see everyone Saturday. Please check this out.http://www.infowars.com/realcoffeeparty/
This presents an opportunity for TEA to really put together a platform for running within or outside the two party system.
In the future, I’d recommend having a public debate that you advertise in advance to get as many in the public to attend as possible and then have a showdown of ideas and even maybe craft a few more.
This is how you expose COFFEE right off the bat to the public.
http://blogtalkradio.com/mntpp
Expose all the BS! PERIOD!
To “Michael” and to “tyranny”, I am apparently one of those misguided Coffee Party people who doesn’t know the real Obama-operative-origins of the movement. Maybe I am as naive as you imply, but when I hosted an event in my neighborhood coffee shop on Saturday, and nothing happened except respectful conversation… does it really matter?
Our stated goal was civil discourse. We had right-leaning folks (me), left-leaning folks (others), and independents all in the same room. We were not at all monolithic in our ideology; some of us worked for McGovern and others for Nixon back in the day. Yet we had productive and respectful dialogue on the issues of the day. So, to paraphrase the Apostle Paul: what does it matter if the Gospel is preached from good motives or evil motives, so long as it is preached? If the issues of the day are discussed across a cup of coffee or tea, and we respect one another in the process, should we really care about who started what?
Again, I’d restate that I’m in favor of the Coffee Party because it means competition which will lead to good ideas rising to the surface instead of rallies and protests without any actionable plan for bringing about small government reform.
It was likely harsh to use the phrase “expose COFFEE right off the bat to the public.”
But again, as it stands so far there appears to be no core ideology driving the group like a pro-constitution, small-government focus.
Not to mention the “civil” phrase is novel given that it was these same individuals that could not be quelled in their outrage during the Bush years.
So, a civil tone is more about having “your team” in power which ultimately I see as absurd because it’s not a matter of our team or your team in DC, but rather their team pretending to fight on our behalf.
And again, the fact that it is such a laid back mood with this group seems indicative of complacency.
While you don’t need to be jumping up and down yelling to express outrage, there does need to be some sense of urgency and need to get things done NOW to fix our problems which so far I see as lacking in Coffee.
In your discussions on Saturday did you actually come up with some kind of direction or ideas to fix things?
In fact my statement of: “This is how you expose COFFEE right off the bat to the public.” came after reading one of the Coffee organizers making the statement “Government is not the enemy” which with a myriad of culprits might be partially true, but government certainly isn’t an ally right now.
These were some of my comments on the OAK website regarding a proposed Bi-Beverage summit….
If story accurately reflects the Coffee Party Position, then a meeting of the minds will never occur. “The Coffee Party doesn’t just think Tea Partiers are unhelpful. The party thinks they’re a threat to the democratic process, and suggests it’s a civic duty to oppose them. ”
How can I explain this.?
I am a conservatives trapped in a liberals body…I want everything I want for free. And I want everyone else to have everything they want for free. Herein lies the problem… In a economic system where the price of something is free, there is unlimited demand. And, unless you live on fantasy island, No country in the world has the ability to produce an unlimited supply of what everyone wants for free… Worse, if everyone can get it for free, who is going to work to produce the unlimited supply necessary because they can get everything for free?
Clearly, there needs to be a means of RATIONING the supply.
In the everyone gets everything free model, their will be no supply because no one will want to work because they get everything for free. But for the sake of argument, if their is some supply that must be rationed, You are then talking about arbitrary rationing by government bureaucrats and we found out how well that worked out in the former Soviet Union(or assess North Korea, if you prefer).
The only reasonable alternative,is to have a FREE MARKET mechanism ration the goods. And people that work harder get more than people that don’t work as hard. And people that work harder, produce more than people that don’t.
And then we need to tweek that model with a safety net for those who can’t work per our Judao-Christian ethic.
The Conservative faction of the TEA Party Movement wants to remove the corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and robber barons from the mix, to cause a more equitable division of resources. ‘
Further, Maintain a smaller government, and their are fewer government parasites sucking off our mutual productivity while they produce nothing themselves. And with that smaller government, the demand caused by over paid Government Apparatchiks goes down and the supply goes up for us productive private citizen members of society.
So you see, I really am Conservative trapped in Liberals body.
I am a liberal forced to be a conservative because the reality of our world. That being that there is virtually unlimited demand by our fellow human beings for the finite resources of this world.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
I am a Conservative trapped in a Liberal’s body. – http://tinyurl.com/yf5mz9t #teaparty #tpp #tcot #gop #conservative #asamom #sgp #mn #912C
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025780.php
We’re an American Man
March 9, 2010 Posted by Scott at 3:58 AM
In Letter III of his Letters From an America Farmer (1782), J. Hector St. John De Crevecoeur famously asked: “What then is the American, this new man?” He answered: “He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. He has become an American by being received in the broad lap of our great Alma Mater. Here individuals of all races are melted into a new race of man, whose labors and posterity will one day cause great changes in the world. Americans are the western pilgrims.” (More on De Crevecoeur here.)
The Census Bureau will have none of it. Mark Krikorian observes: “Fully one-quarter of the space on this year’s form is taken up with questions of race and ethnicity, which are clearly illegitimate and none of the government’s business (despite the New York Times’ assurances to the contrary on today’s editorial page).” The editorial to which Krikorian refers is here.
Mark Krikorian harks back in spirit to De Crevecouer. Krikorian has set up a Facebook page inviting Americans to follow his example:
In 2010, the new CENSUS will be taken.
Last time, instead of listing my race, I listed me as “HUMAN.”
This next year, I will be listing myself as “AMERICAN”… please Join ME!!
If you believe, as do I, that when America QUITS asking people what their COLOR, RACE,
Ethnicity is, then we will all become a stronger Group: Americans.
Krikorian therefore suggests:
[W]e should answer Question 9 by checking the last option — “Some other race” — and writing in “American.” It’s a truthful answer but at the same time is a way for ordinary citizens to express their rejection of unconstitutional racial classification schemes. In fact, “American” was the plurality ancestry selection for respondents to the 2000 census in four states and several hundred counties.
So remember: Question 9 — “Some other race” — “American.” Pass it on.
As he says, pass it on.
You might be interested in this:http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/greenslade.htm
Thanks Tyranny!
This list is suggested as way to make us successful in our effort to reduce the size of our Federal government.
The Principles of the Tea Party Movement
Our common goal comes first; that of reducing the size of Federal government and it can only be achieved by a united TPM.
The TPM needs leadership, not leaders; positions of authority in it are temporary.
Membership in the TPM is open to anyone who believes in and wants to reduce the size of our Federal government.
The TPM is an autonomous grass roots organization. All decisions and actions are to be decided at the local level provided that they do not adversely affect the entire movement.
Our common goal, limited Constitutional government, is what we are to work for.
The TPM is not to be affiliated with any political party nor endorse any candidate. We do not want our efforts to be tied to the success or failures of a political party or candidate.
We must not accept money or any other kind of support from those who are not members of the TPM.
Politicians are not eligible for membership in the TPM.
The TPM should be united to achieve its goal but we do not want to have a strong formal organization.
The various factions of conservativism must work together less we divide and defeat ourselves.
Unity, courtesy and respect for all will to attract people to the TPM.
Our primary principle is our love of freedom. We must always work to promote freedom. For if we do not work towards our common goal of limited Constitutional government we do not have a reason to exist.
Any comments, compliants or suggestions will be appreciated.
I’ve been following tea/912 since early June and I’ve seen your type of post before and I’ll say what I said back then.
“fiscal responsibility”, “small government”, etc. have about as much substance as “change we can believe in”
The Grassroots hit the streets in ’09, they’ve organized over the winter and NOW they have to focus on HOW to achieve fiscal responsibility and small government.
Until there are SPECIFIC plans to implement these from the ground up, voters will still not support liberty candidates and this movement will get nowhere.
CASE IN POINT:
The idea is how to take back the public school education system by introducing Business & Economics (B.E.) as an elective.
The process would involve recruiting like minded teachers and parents within their schools’ PTA’s to join in holding rallies in support of B.E. to ensure that the next generation has the skills necessary to pay off the debt they’re inheriting.
Grass roots parents would encourage their public school children who agree with this goal to create their own student B.E. groups to create the effect of this idea being pursued from both the inside and the outside.
The first call is for schools to have a testing of the student body on their B.E. skills and if they come back with low grades the push is made to create a B.E. elective (likely replacing another) that will also enhance Math and English skills.
All of the groups will work to fund raise to purchase the 30-60 books for the initial B.E. classes to make this as turn key as possible for schools to accept.
From there, the performance of students who take the B.E. class in regards to the rest of their grades is studied and if the stats show that they have are performing better or at least maintained their current standings, then the push is made to have B.E. made into a permanent part of the overall curriculum.
Michael, your idea about the Business & Economics course is a good one. A quality education is vital to being free.
Thanks Bjorn,
I’m hoping this and a few other local/small government focused ideas will catch on with the grass roots after health care is resolved (one way or the other).
Wayne, I too voted for Jesse Ventura. I did so for two reasons 1) Norm Coleman & Hubert “Skip” Humphrey. 2) How many people can say they voted for a friend from high school for the governor of their state?
Hey, hose two guys are the same reason I filled in the circle for Jesse… that and the fact that the party of the left and the party on the right keep sending us this recycled politician crap. Fer’ Pete’s sake, it would be nice to see some fresh faces that aren’t jes’ running cuz’ they need “a job”!
So here I go… look out Jimmy-O!!!
If we had more candidates running for office because they “needed a job” it would be a lot better for our country than most of the political hacks that are our current candidates. I’m thinking of running for the US Senate in 2012 because I could use a good high paying job like that. Could I do a better job than Amy Klobuchar? Tell me something she’s done in the Senate and we would have a topic for discussion.
Politics is a numbers game. If you don’t have the numbers (votes) you don’t win. For those of you who are patting themselves on the back because they won’t join the Republican Party I hope you like Pres. Obama’s health care plan! Why do I say that? I say that because if the GOP doesn’t win those 40 Congressional seats that are now held by Democrats Obamacare will be passed and become law. That is a simple fact of who has the numbers (votes) to get their bills passed. Even if theose 40 seats are won by RINOs that will stop Obamacare.
So those of you who don’t like the GOP remember this quote attributed to Edmund Burke “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” If you do nothing to elect Republicans to the House of Representatives the evil of Obamacare will triumph.
Bryan,
Good men cannot be found in the parties. They have already sold their soul just to get into the party.
Yes, good men will triumph but they won’t be from within a party. It is only the people that can hold these crooks accountable.
Obamacare is going to be just another hiest of the Americans freedom and dollars. Another HUGE ponzi scheme. It won’t be long before the Cloward & Piven’s dreams are realized.
Even Putin is warning us in a recent article that our government have been taken over by communists.
“How do you tell a Communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” – Ronald Reagan – September 25, 1987
I have requested to be a speaker at the upcomining Tea Party on April 15th. If the Tea Party represents conservativism a voice for being active in the Republican Party should be one of the speakers. I wish to be that voice.
Toni –
I understand and admire your passion to uproot the corrupt-o-crats from politics. I’m with you in spirit. Let’s rid the House, Senate, and White House of the pretenders who wrap themselves in the flag even as they sell their vote to the highest bidder and enrich themselves while selling this nation into socialism, or worse.
At eighteen, I voted for Carter. Later, I voted for Ross Perot (my apologies to everyone here) ; it was a protest vote against both established parties. But my protest vote helped elect Clinton. Another protest vote put Jesse Ventura in the governor’s mansion. I’ve learned my lesson, and I’m going to work within the Republican Party, knowing full well it is far from perfect.
I refuse to donate to the RNC. Instead, I identify and donate to individual candidates…like Michele Bachmann. I plan to volunteer and work on her upcoming campaign. I donated to Scott Brown’s campaign in Massachusetts, knowing he was a RINO. But look at the effect his election had on the Obamacare legislation. Brown’s election — a RINO who campaigned against Obamacare — caused Obama to retool his socialist agenda, and it caused other Democrats to feel their own vulnerability.
Toni, I respect and honor your passionate individualism; indeed, I share it. I’ll fight to the death for my individualism. No one is going to tell me what to do, and I know the same sentiment is true of you. But in the quiet of your thoughts, please consider how best to move our nation’s politicians toward a center-right governance of this nation.
Respectfully,
Wayne
Woops!
I just read my post! I mean there are a lot of good men and women in the party as members and I suppose as party officials… I meant that have control over the party, those men and women dance to a different drummer, and those drums are not played by citizens.
Bryan, I did get your request but I thought I saw that your were a candidate and if this is true, I won’t be having candidates at this event except for if they have a table… Sorry for delay, but I just haven’t gotten back to everyone yet. So if you are not a candidate, you can speak.
Wayne,
Thanks for the gentle nudge. We need all the people who know how to affect change to do it. We need all those that don’t know how to start seeking the knowledge of how to do it. Uh, this is why I am desperate for face to face meetings to occur in peoples local areas. This really brings people to the quickest way to resolving local issues and believe it or not, I did not get into this movement for elections.
The election process is necessary and so are the parties and their candidates.
I think the disconnect is the people who do not want anything to do with the election process were a larger part of this movement then those who are realized.
Republican speakers? What are the democrat-lite politicians going to speak about?
Hey, everyone,
Dave…you and I locked horns over our differing views of single-payer healthcare, and in the heat of our debate I neglected to thank you for your service to this country: thank you.
I know many of us are in this tea party movement for the long haul; I hope the majority of us are in it for the long haul. It’s safe to say the country’s finding itself being hijacked by the left because Middle America — Nixon’s silent majority — has been busy with our day-to-day lives and too trusting that government was doing the right thing most of the time. Middle America is awake now, but there are no quick fixes. It’s going to take a sustained effort over time to get us back on track, back to the fundamental principles of individual freedom, free-market capitalism, and a federal government constrained by the Constitution.
I agree with Brian BjÖrnson’s position that we seek incremental change of the Republican Party rather than demanding immediate “perfection” in the candidates we elect. After all, that’s how this country has lost its way.
We seem to all agree there are very few honorable politicians. Both major parties are teeming with self-serving scum. Regardless, there are important fundamental differences between the parties. Democrats are socialists whose knee-jerk response is always to increase the government grasp on power. Republicans give a lot of lip service to fiscal responsibility and small government, but all too often they sell themselves to the highest bidder and sell us down the river. Given a choice between a Democrat and Republican, I’ll vote Republican — RINO or not.
We continue, long after the election is over, to hold the Republican to conservative principles. We don’t give up. If we elect a RINO, then during that RINO’S term we seek out and identify someone to that RINO’S right to support in the next primary. Keeping continuous pressure on our elected officials will keep them in line. And we must maintain a constant lookout for candidates who have the backbone to do what is right. Moving to the right in this way, incrementally and consistently, will drive the Republican Party toward the conservative principles they claim to believe in.
There’s lots of room for other views and other methods. We each must find that method that works best for us. I sent money to Scott Brown (Massachusetts), knowing full well a Massachusetts Republican is going to be a RINO. But his election had a resounding effect: it changed the nature of the game in Washington. If we keep moving incrementally to the right, we will achieve our goals over time. That’s how the socialists have taken over much of this country’s narrative, even as one poll after another reveals that most Americans consider themselves conservative.
I’ll leave you with this quote, written by one of our presidents — Garfield, I think.
“If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”
Well said, Wayne.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/minnesota-tea-party-patriots/2010/03/06/toni-no-bologny-show-presents-andrew-ian-dodge-of-
Tonight at 7pm Central!
We will talk about Bill Gates comments on population control at a Tech event…
and about Andrew’s new book!
Pentagon shooter: another violent act against the US government by someone against “big government” and concerned about “blatant violations of the Constitution’s limitations on the economic role of the government”. Sounds like the right winger who flew a plane into a government building last week. What’s next Tea Partiers? Screaming about “liberty” while setting off dynamite strapped to your waist?
These are desperate acts from people that are desperate to be heard. Not unlike our fellow humans involved in this race that are suicide bombers [middle east], they ultimately want the same thing. Control of their own lives. It is the freaks who must control that are the dangerous ones.
This is chaos by design. It is a giant game of risk and we are their ponds. The world is a lot smaller than you think. We have been specimens of their social experiment for long enough. “Free your mind and the rest will follow!”
Where were all you tea baggers when Bush was gearing up for the “Thre Trillion Dollar War” ? ? ? Now that was a serious waste of tax money (with a huge amount of deficit spending thrown in), so why weren’t all you folks going to town meetings about that? And should we dare even talk about all the American lives lost? Just wondering . . . . . .
You mean that left-wing anti-military 9/11 “truther” who shot up the Pentagon? Like that left-winger who flew a small plane into an IRS building a week or so ago?
How about you take some time and go read how the founders dealt with a tyrannical regime such as the king of England. They tried to “talk it over” like Chamberlain did with the Nazis, and Carter with Iran. Then it was time to put some “skin in the game” and wash the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots… as T. Jefferson said. I realize you may be of a left leaning mindset but, the rest of us are getting a very clear understanding of what we may be facing. While I don’t condone the act of shooting up the Pentagon… futile in nature… I have read the IRS pilots “manifesto” and find some of it to be agreeable. The system has inherent problems brought on by power, greed, over regulation (contained in the US house/senate) and lobbying efforts of a biblical proportion. If we are to ever get back to operating this republic as it was intended, in order to keep tyranny and oppression away from us for good, there will need to be some drastic action taken. The current make up of congress is not capable of this, but quite the opposite.
You are right Wildman!
They are too busy getting their grove on with our tax dollars! Hmmmm, seems I recognize this as Woodstock in the Whitehouse!
Hala!
The TEA Party Patriots are NOT about acts of violence, sabotage, terrorism or acts of war. If you are into that, Please leave NOW.
Toni, if you disagree with me on that, take it up with national, and make sure all of the local Minnesota chapters know, so that they can decide whether or not to associate with you.
Relax Steve!
Only the fringe would mistake it for a call to violence.
We are talking about civic duty and physically bombarding our representatives offices.
I have a disclaimer that all members of our think tank must agree to and you, Steve, are well aware of it because you are a member of that site.
Find it here: http://minnesotateapartypatriots.org
Steve, to what do you refer? Did I condone any violence… don’t remember typing that. Did however give a quick overview of where negotiations with tyrants has gotten “free and peaceful people”… conquered and killed… that’s right folks, the desire of one group of people to control another is as old as mankind. The settling of these “control issues” rarely if ever is peaceful. Steve if wish to believe that the tyrants in congress, and there are couple hundred of them, are going to let go of power without a struggle, you may be only kidding yourself… and please be careful who you ask to “leave” this site, peace nicks such as you have done little to protect this country from outside invaders. In closing, I will also bring it the attention of all of you, that the value of the tea dumped in Boston Harbor could have been worth nearly 500 million in todays dollars! Have a nice night & god bless:) P.S. how many tea parties have you organized Steve?
What caused me to believe you were advocating violence, Wildman, was your discussing how attempting to find peaceable settlements, such as the New England Confederation had done, didn’t work, and that the tree of liberty had to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. That we should examine that. Put together, that appears to be a rejection of the political process and a call to violence. Such a thing, if allowed, would destroy the tea party uprising, in my opinion. Toni then said that she agreed with you. That is how I arrived at the conclusion that I did.
The way the software structures the threads is frustrating to me, as I cannot go from the bottom of the entire conversation to easily find exactly what you said. That isn’t your fault, or Toni’s fault.
Steve,
I was referring to the beginning of Wildman’s post.
…and I still do not have to do what national says or what anyone else says.
No one, not event this movement define me or my actions. I will never subscribe to group think mentality and I will never carry the baggage of any of these political parties.
I will vote for the candidate that APPEARS to represent the constitution then I will hold them accountable. I will build my organization of people who will hold their public officials accountable. NO MORE ANARCHY in our GOVERNMENT.
NO ONE is going to pigeon hole me into this or that…
I am still registered as a Republican and I am going to un-register because I am not going to be a party of a political system that doesn’t work.
WE HAVE 3 DAYS NOT 3 WEEKS on H/C
From: Scott Boston – he produced TPP core values and mission statement
Today at 1:47am
Look at the legislative calendar:
Today is Friday March 5.
Tax Day is April 15.
The House and Senate are not in session from March 29- April 11.
Which means if HC is going to pass before April 15 it has to pass by
March 28
Today is March 5. That is 23 days.
They are not going to let us sit on phones for 3 weeks. Every day we
call is another day of pressure. They are not going to let us have
local townhalls, that is too big a risk.
If they are going to use reconciliation, it has to pass the house by
Friday March 12. That gives the Senate 10 legislative days to deal
with all the amendments and procedural issues.
If they want to avoid reconciliation they can simply bring the Senate
bill to the floor in the House and promise to fix it later. This is
what I think will happen. Then Obama can simply sign the bill as soon
as it passes the House.
Boehner said today he expects the HC bill to come to the floor NEXT
WEEK for a VOTE.
If we Kill it in the House we Kill it.
We have 3 days before next Monday when Pelosi could simply bring the
senate bill/Obama compromise to the floor and twist arms till it
passes.
We have 3 days. Not 3 weeks.
DC anyone?
Scott
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-Antoinette Backdahl
People here are frantic! I am going to share your message…
We were going to bombard their offices again.
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Amy Brighton
Good point, Scott. How does the CBO scoring fit into this? Has the bill been scored, and does it need to be scored before they vote?
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Scooter Blackswamp
Well, Obama’s “bill” has not been scored and probably will not be before passage. But I think that really is a red herring. They are going to “agree” on how the bill will be changed, –once it is passed–, that way the house will vote on the bill the Senate passed, and Barack can sign it immediately. Then they will attach an amendment which makes the agreed changes to the bill to something else, which everyone wants, like a defense appropriations bill, or the new jobs bill, and pass the changes that way.
This is my analysis. I have not seen anyone else saying this, but it makes the most sense to me.
They cannot let us hold town halls and slow it down and risk a huge 4/15 event. It is not Easter he wants it passed before, It OUR TAX DAY TEA PARTIES…. See More
But for that to happen, it has to pass before the Easter Recess on March 28.
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Mary Jo Buckland Schroeder
I heard Rush say much the same thing on his program yesterday. If the bill (the senate version) passes the House, it goes straight to Obama for his signature. Rush says that the reconciliation thing is just a ruse to get us side-tracked. The House is where it’s at and that’s where the pressure has to be placed… NOW. Can we just sit around and … See Morewait for dear Nancy to bribe them into doing what she wants? Stupak says it won’t pass, but I’m of the opinion that TRUST is a bigger issue, and right now I don’t feel we can trust any of them.
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Scooter Blackswamp
Folks, THIS IS THE BIGGEST LEGISLATIVE PUSH IN 100 YEARS. THIS IS IT. We are talking about FINAL PASSAGE of NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE. Nancy will bring it to the floor, she HAS to bring it to the floor. This is the CROWN JEWEL of the Democrat Platform for he last 60 years. Forget Stupak. The pressure Pelosi as SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE can bring to bear is OVERWHELMING. She can restrict funds for offices, she can strip members of committee assignments, chairmanships, etc. She will do all of these things to pass this bill.
She let folks out of the vote before on the house bill, she let certain folks vote no because of their districts. That is GONE. If you are a Democrat you will HAVE to VOTE for the bill, or in their eyes, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU CALLING YOURSELF A DEMOCRAT FOR.
If we value our freedom we have to find a way to bring enough pressure to stop it. And I don’t think that faxing and calling are going to do the trick. … See More
We have to be out, visible, at local offices and probably in DC. We have 48 hours to figure out how to make our opposition visible and vocal, or we can forget it.
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Amy Brighton
I agree! Jeff and I are trying to plan a protest at Boccieri (16th CD) office. When we have the details, we will let you know.
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I need help with health care! My son and I both have pre-existing conditions. My sons life may be deemed valuable, but because of my big mouth, mine may not! The system is broke and corrupt! This bill does nothing to fix the corruption of health care. I READ THE ENTIRE BILL! Did you? If you did then you would understand why this bill has NOTHING to do with FIXING the problems in our HEALTH PONZI SCHEME CARE SYSTEM. It is another proposed PONZI scheme.
In order to have a qualified opinion on this issue you have to do two things 1) Read the proposed legislation 2) Hear both sides – so far the left has done neither! Congress does not read the bills they pass DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF! So I ask you, what is the purpose of these charlitans?
Toni, your best bet is a Salvation Army clinic, if you make little enough to qualify. Check about Minnesota Care as well, and possibly Catholic Charities. The situation isn’t good, there are gaps, and Obamacare is not the answer, it will make things much worse, if I understand correctly.
Thanks for the advice Steve, but we make to much money to qualify for any services. It is a bit more complicated then that as well.
I have had health issues for many years… I have experienced private, public and paying on my type of coverage.
The medical industry is not set up to charge individuals because they are too busy padding their invoices to insurance companies with charges for things that did not occur or that are rediculously over priced.
When I pay cash, I question everything. They cannot provide answers for why they charged me for things they did not do… Earlier in life, a medical facility charged my insurance company for 6 months of services that I did not even get.
When I walk out of the doctors office I have no clue what they are going to bill my insurance company and there fore there is no check and balance. I should be able to walk out of the doctors office and know what the hell they are billing me for and even before they bill me for it. I dare you to try to ask your pediatrician for just a vaccine! It is impossible and they have to do all this other unrelated stuff and charges and a $35 vaccine is inflated to $350 so the clinic can survive.
What it amounts to is that the doctors are lazy and illiterate. They lack the training to create fee scales that relate to their patients but rather to padding their margin. Obamacare does nothing to fix this.
But besides all that they [people who have not read the proposed legislation] want to support something that has nothing to do with fixing the problem and everything to do with collapsing capitalism. Why? So they can start over with their UTOPIA plan. Which is yet another social experiment.
Sorry, but based on your own testimony, you are, frankly, screwed. I wish you were not, but you most likely are. You think the current system is corrupt but you believe Obamacare is not the answer? So what? The other suggestions may help, but in my experience probably not. And remember, Minnesota Care is government healthcare, so you might not like that, even if you are qualified. Do you think you can qualify for SSD? Another option is call your state and federal representatives (the Constitution allows you to address grievances to your fed reps). Myself, I wouldn’t mind paying more taxes to help people like you. Sorry.
Once again, removing the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE is the only solution.
If you can afford a cell phone, you’ll be able to afford health insurance.
It’s ad nauseum to hear about this Health Bill as being a cure all, especially when it’s supposed best features can’t be passed through reconciliation.
And if they’re so great, why not put them all in one small 100 page bill and just past that?
This simply isn’t about health reform, but just another facet of the push for centralization.
Michael, you corporatists are so funny. If only we let corporations get BIGGER and have more UNCHECKED POWER that will solve EVERYTHING. The corporations sure have you dancing to their tune, and they make you think you’re “grassroots” too. Hilarious!
@ Scott
You seem to be making the case that there is some difference between the government and corporations at this point. You don’t realize that the government is setting up the identical system and tactics you loathe corporations for enacting, except the government is the only game in town.
It’s about competition and let me explain something you probably missed in recent years.
Remember Sarbanes-Oxley which was supposed to be about reigning in corporations?
That legislation was in fact a GIFT to large corporations because it created a glass ceiling for startup competitors that normally could take on bloated business giants but Sarbenes-Ox created such a thick layer of bureaucratic and accounting rules that small companies could rarely ever find the funds to pay for the extra accountants and lawyers and so competition was eradicated.
It then led to the scenario of these would be up and coming competitors being bought up by the now secured big corps who do have the funds for the accounting and therefore grow their monopolies and duopolies.
As for Americans for Prosperity, Tea Party Patriots, etc. our group isn’t affiliated with them nor do we take marching orders. In fact, our goal is to setup an eCongress system to break up both the government and corporate lobbying monopolies.
Sounds like you need to do some waking up yourself and stop regurgitating talking points you hear on cable news.
Last night, March 4th, I was at the Senate District 44 Republican convention. I sought to be elected a delegate to the state convention but was not successful. Most of the people who did get elected were established active status quo Republicans but a few liberty minded people did become delegates to the GOP state convention.
What really concerns me however, is the need to elect as many Republicans as possible to Congress this year, even if some of them turn out to be RINOs. You may wondering WTF? I will explain why I think this must be done.
There are about 40 seats in the House of Representatives currently held by Democrats whose re-election chances are shaky. These Democrats can be defeated and their defeat would make the House more conservative. Polls have been taken that show when these Democrats are up against a Republican they lose. The polls also show that if these Democrats are in a three way race, Democrat, Republican and a third party candidate the Democrat wins. In fact the polls show that is what the results would be the Democrat wins, the Republican comes in second and the third party candidate ends up a distant third. If the Democrats win so does Pres. Obama and his plan to force health care down our throats.
What can be done to prevent this? The election of Republicans even if they are RINOs is better than Obamacare. Now there might be some who say that they will not vote for the lesser of two evils, the RINO. For those who say that they will not vote for the lesser of two evils it would help to be guided by what Thomas Paine said in his pamphlet, Common Sense, “Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” By not voting for the lesser of two evils we have not the necessary evil but the intolerable one. United we stand divided we fall. Let us stand together for the sake of our country! Let us stand together to insure that Obamacare fails!
Bryan,
Since I have been involved in this movement I have witnessed the MOST immoral behavior on behalf of people who CLAIM to be CHRISTIANS! For this reason, I will no longer be a member of any political party. EVER!
I was re-assured staying out of parties is going to be the best use of my time, energy and money.
You and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of others feel the same way!
We are not alone! We talk to each other and they talk to themselves.
Keep up the great work Bryan, I admire your ambition and commitment to this movement.
“In a fallen world, if you demand perfection or nothing, you will always get nothing.” Edith Schaeffer used to say that when she still lived here. It is true. As Christians, we have to realize that no one is perfect, not that sin is ok, but if we demand people be sinless before we will work with them, we will be all alone.
Toni, I can’t agree more, the two parties are so corrupted by those that wish to claim the moral high ground (& other things like John Edwards) it has made me sick. The AP reporter wanted to paint us as jes’ on offshoot of the “R” party… I am keeping my distance from it and those that wish to resurrect it from the ashes. Even some in my own group wish to keep me out of our forum and the race itself. If we send someone who is “democrat light” to D.C. we will have the same results we have had for fifty years. The next batch of house members will need spine made of titanium and a will strong enough to withstand the advances of the lobbying effort put forth by big money. The “upper management” of both parties, driven by large campaign contributers will dictate easily to freshmen/women from the first day of session. Marching orders will be given and the threats will begin immediately if orders or not followed.
Don’t forget that many of the people who have volunteered in the past, and are therefore known not to be kooks are Democrat plants and thus are nominated to go to State convention -are- conservatives and Constitutionalists. Not one of our local candidates dared take any other position.
We can’t have perfection. That isn’t one of our options. We just have to do the best we can, and also lay ground work for the future.
I think if there was more focus on IDEAS, especially on how to implement them with as little federal and state involvement as possible, the dynamic will change and the right leaders will emerge.
Need to flip the narrative from Challengers vs Incumbents to Decentralizers vs Central Government.
I realize that sounds like a rehashing of “Small Government vs Big Government,” but history has shown that just because someone runs as Small Government doesn’t mean they vote that way.
Need to update the terms to break out of the status quo dialogue and more importantly break into IDEAS.
The tea party/patriot movement is capable of so much more beyond getting one candidate elected over the other. The Grass Roots can actually SOLVE a lot of the major problems if they put their minds into it.
You make a good point here Steve. I understand it to be like a circle maze and it is layered. In every party it has to be that way…
Did you know that the communists/socialists are in all parties? In fact all the loons and all the best are in all the parties. It has been going on for centuries. That is why who ever has the most dollar bills usually controls the game.
So, I challenge Steve or anyone to be a truly non-partisan leader and then tell me the pressure you receive is pleasant. They do not want meddlers! They do not want participation! They want your money and your vote. Worse, they don’t even care if it is a real vote, or from a citizen for that matter. If the parties cared about voter fraud they would have fixed the problem A LONG TIME AGO or they are just that incredibly incapable or stupid.
Posted below is a link to a Michelle Malkin article questioning whether or not Republicans have what it takes to rein in spending in a time of unprecedented debt; here’s a hint — no.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/04/question-of-the-day-does-the-gop-have-enough-balls/
http://v-webcast.net/vnewsnetwork2
7:30pm tonight!
http://v-webcast.net/vnewsnetwork2
Independence Party meeting?
Is someone organizing a recall of the senators and representatives who are voting for the Obamacare? If they vote “yes” to pass this fiasco, they should automatically be recalled for not doing their job in representing the people of Minnesota (nonfeasance) or even for not supporting the US constitution. (malfeasance)
Go to Congressman John Fleming’s web site, http://fleming.house.gov/. He has introduced an amendment to the Pelosi health care bill that will automatically enroll all Members of Congress and all Senators in the public option.
My first linked to Congressman John Flemings website didn’t work; let’s try that again:
http://fleming.house.gov/
Hey Wayne!
Thanks for the link.
I wouldn’t mind getting one of those flags either!
Let me get this straight: Tea partiers (aka protestors) don’t want healthcare insurance forced on them by the Feds, but it should be forced on members of Congress, who are, like it or not, U.S. citizens. Tea partiers want less federal government intrusion, but have no problem with it intruding on insurance and tort regulation, which is normally relegated to the States, as per the Constitution. And lastly, tea partiers hate, HATE single payer healthcare, but figure it’s ok for our military.
Uh????????
The whole point of forcing Congress onto their own plan is to get them to back off realizing how truly awful this plan is for individual health and liberty.
On the military front, you’re generalizing which is something you claim to abhor when criticizing those who don’t share your views (whatever they might actually be).
I actually spoke with a gulf war veteran 6 months back who was on permanent disability, not from his original combat injury, but because they kept giving him things like tylenol, etc. to save on costs instead of fundamentally treating his condition. He presented himself as Exhibit A of why universal health care is a BAD idea.
Dave, I think your statement that tea partiers are inconsistent is incorrect — at least when describing me, and I consider myself a tea partier.
Any idea — including ‘single payor’ — when standing alone — is neither good or bad. Equity, alternatives, competition — all must be discussed in evaluating the idea.
For example, if economic waste of investment is a high probability for certain needed social goods — like baseload electricity or rail transportation — the government offered essentially monopoly power to the providers because it would be too costly to society as a whole (in terms of economic waste of the opportunity cost) to have competing businesses located next to each other. In such cases, the government allows a business to have an exclusive territory in exchange for regulation. Because such regulation is cost plus and is highly inefficient, government eliminates this regulatory format when the economics of competition are ‘real’. This is what happened when market entrants like MCI and Sprint were allowed to take on ATT.
Dave,
Why I am here is because I am tired of our government inserting middle men between me and the things I need access to.
1) My representatives
2) Health Care
Things I would like to see dissapear:
1) Mandates on Insurance – it is like the mob “you gotta pay for protection”
2) Federal Reserve Cartel – the largest PONZY scheme that is above the law
3) Unions that are bias [break the monopoly]
4) Lobyists
5) Corrupt Politicians and Oath takers
The voting system in this country is more corrupt than the folks who get the purple finger!
1) They cannot prove they counted my vote
2) They cannot prove that all votes counted were from citizens!
Groups and movements have existed throughout time. Civic duty is peril for this countries existence. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. To my death, I will fight for your right to the 1st Amendment. If you do not feel the same way, well, you are part of the problem.
Dave –
Thank you! Your March 3rd comment was so lame it made me laugh out loud; it was a good laugh. I’ll share just a few thoughts about Dave’s comments.
Dave states that: tea partiers = protesters.
Not all members of the tea party movement have gone out and protested, but many have so I understand his confusion equally tea partiers with all protesters. I’ve proudly attended tea party events. I enjoyed exercising my Constitutional right to publicly air my grievances in fellowship with thousands of others who chose to exercise their selfsame Constitutional right. But not all protesters are tea partiers.
Self-described anarchists and other groups have protested meetings of the World Trade Organization and G-8 summits for years. When the various tea parties I attended were over, I noticed how clean the place was. There were no overturned cars, no windows smashed out of buildings, nothing had been set on fire, etc. You know…the kind of stuff the anti-war and anti-capitalism protesters leave behind.
Dave states that: We tea partiers don’t want the feds to force their healthcare “reform” on us, but that we believe it should be forced on members of Congress.
First, an aside: I think I can speak for all tea partiers in that we know members of Congress are US citizens — in fact, we’re mighty glad they are.
Let’s recall that we tea partiers (we/us) proposed a simple Constitutional amendment: members of Congress cannot force us to conform to a nationwide mandate unless the members of Congress are made to conform to that same mandate. The underlying principle being that the United States doesn’t have a ruling class; therefore, laws that apply to citizens apply equally to members of Congress.
And as far as forcing it upon members of Congress, perhaps Dave will recall that amendments to the Constitution are designed to be difficult to do. It would be those same members of Congress — and two thirds of the state legislatures — who would vote to approve and implement an amendment to the Constitution. Therefore, we would not be forcing it on anyone…it would be a law of the land arrived at through the democratic process and within the law of the Constitution.
Dave states that: We want less federal government intrusion, but we have no problem with the federal government intruding on insurance and tort regulation, powers that are normally relegated to the states, as per the Constitution.
We do indeed want less intrusion into our lives by the federal government. No doubt there are differing views among members of the tea party movement about whether or not the federal government should intrude on insurance or tort regulation. However, I am certain that we rightly pointed out the hypocrisy in the claims made by Obama et al. as they lie cheat and steal to put us all under the thumb of the federal government under the ruse of “health care reform”.
Ostensibly proponents of socialized medicine claim one of their primary motivating factors is to reduce the “out-of-control” upward spiral of healthcare costs. We simply pointed out that if their true purpose was cost-control, then any serious cost-containment proposal must include tort reform. We called their bluff. Trial lawyers own more Democrats than Government Motors makes cars — well, I suppose GM makes more cars, but you get what I mean. Obama is no more concerned about reining in the cost of healthcare than he is about stopping Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
And lastly, Dave rightly observes that tea partiers hate, HATE, single-payer healthcare. But he imagines an inconsistency in our disdain for single-payer healthcare being foisted on all American citizens (and illegal aliens) and our support for our military’s use of single-payer healthcare (which is not wholly true).
Perhaps Dave has forgotten, but men and women who serve in the military VOLUNTEERED to serve. They understood from the get-go that they were signing away their rights as US citizens and submitting themselves — again, voluntarily — to the mores, ways, and inherent dangers of military service. The profound difference of voluntarily signing away your individual freedoms as opposed to having the federal government force you to do something against your will seem to be lost on Dave.
There are many more subtleties and nuances that make Dave’s comments preposterous and laughable. I’d love to respond to more of his inanities, but there’s only so much time in the day.
A lot of gobblygook responses. I served 20 years in the military. Gulf War and Bosnia vet, and I had NO problem with my single payer healthcare. Good enough for our soldiers, I guess good enough for the rest of us, but that’s not the issue. Which of you would suggest our men and women in uniform should enjoy the joy of private insurance? Heck I would love to see the VA healthcare budget doubled. Do you? And bottomline, all of you are protestors; in itself that’s fine. You should be proud to be labeled as protestors, unless you think that’s a dirty word because it lumps you into the same group that include war protestors. Let me guess, none of you voted for GW Bush. None of you supported the war in Iraq and it’s expense. So hard to find people like that anymore. So convenient. B as in B. S as in S.
Remember, it’s the SOLDIER (who suffers under single payer socialist healthcare) who protects your right to speak, no matter how strange it sounds. You and your fellow war protestors are welcome.
@ Dave
During your 20 years of service did you ever suffer a serious injury?
Those I’ve run into that have are the ones I base a lot of my opinions about the VA and it’s single payer system.
You are also in the minority as far as military personnel I know when it comes to endorsing single payer and this current health bill.
A question that never gets asked is that of the 30 million (a questionable number to begin with) how many of them have cell phones?
Reason being, that if interstate commerce were allowed everyone could afford good health insurance for the cost of their cell phone plan.
$50 per month gets $25,000 in collision coverage and this is despite the fact that non-drivers aren’t forced to pay into the car insurance system.
As for GW and Iraq, mea culpa I unfortunately was busy with other things to realize how this things have been misused once given public support.
Dave –
You are not the only veteran on this site, so stop throwing yourself up against the cross. I served four years in the Navy and was involved in the failed attempt to rescue the hostages from the US Embassy in Iran (1980). I’m also a quadriplegic, paralyzed from the neck down in a car accident (1983), so I have a lot of experience with our health care delivery system.
You dismiss as gobbledygook all counterpoints to your single-payer healthcare position — how convenient for you. In short, you cannot counter our positions with reasoned arguments, so you dismiss them as gobbledygook. Your position has a single underpinning: the military has a single-payer system, and what’s good enough for our men and women in uniform should be good enough for all Americans. Let’s examine that argument.
According to Wikipedia, there are 1.45 million active military personnel and an additional 850,000 reservists. Let’s be generous and say there’s a total of 2.5 million military personnel. The US population is more than 300 million, so the military makes up 0.8% (2.5/300) of the US population. So you’ve got 300 million people paying for the health care of 2.5 million people.
Perhaps you’ve missed the many — many — exposés over the years that have exposed horrendous treatment by the Veterans Administration (VA) of our veterans. A 2007 exposé of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center revealed despicable care of our wounded soldiers. I understand that the WRAMC story is more complex than what was reported, but it happened. The Walter Reed incident notwithstanding, the VA has gotten better over the years, but they have brought terrible suffering upon many an undeserving veteran, so spare me the lecture about the wonderfulness of the military’s single-payer healthcare system.
Veterans have a choice to use the VA or their private insurance. The veterans I know all choose their private insurance over the VA. Why? Because they get better treatment in the private sector than they would through the VA hospitals.
So let’s review: active military personnel voluntarily submit to a single-payer healthcare system. Many — I’m guessing most — formerly active military personnel (veterans) choose their private insurance over the VA hospitals. The “single-payer” healthcare system for 2.5 million active military personnel is paid for by 300 million US citizens. And the vast majority of those 300 million US citizens reject in the strongest terms possible the socialized medicine (single-payer) being shoved down their throats.
Dave, engaging in honest debate about these serious issues is a good thing. But I get the feeling you just like to poke a stick at people who don’t see things your way. This tea party movement is about turning this country back toward its founding principles of freedom and liberty for all. You may remember taking an oath when you entered active duty, an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. Well, the tea party movement is putting teeth into that oath.
One final thought for this post: the single-payer healthcare system Obama so desperately wants is the front end of socialism. We don’t want socialism in this country. Do you, Dave?
Yeah, you’re right. I really can’t argue against what I’m hearing.
Dave –
Your reply, that you “really can’t argue against what [you're] hearing” seems intentionally vague. If you’ve got something to say, say it. This is a debate in which you are welcome to participate, even encouraged. We can all — you and me included — learn something through the “medium” of these debates. we all have skin in this game; what will be the nature of the country that we pass on to future generations?
Think about what you want to say, write it down and post it. These debates are important because putting together a reasoned argument helps all of us flesh out our thinking. We don’t have to agree on everything, or anything for that matter. But who we vote for in the next several elections will have a profound effect on future generations of Americans.
Sorry, Michael, I forgot about your question. I had my fair share injuries while in.
Wayne & Dave:
I really would like to thank you for your service! This is why I am involved. I come from a family of service men. I lived near a base growing up and used to cheerlead for a Marine Core football team. I know a lot of veterans and this is why I am dedicated to creating generations of citizens who are active in their civic duty.
Thank you for what you have done to help preserve this LAST FREE COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. If you can even still call it free.
Dave,
The idea is that under the equal protection of the laws, Congress ought not be allowed to exempt themselves from the laws which they pass.
An interesting article for your reading pleasure…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/to_be_or_not_to_be_conservativ.html
Take care, everyone.
Don Mashak — As with Toni, I know you only through reading your posted comments. You’ve had some good points in the past, and I’d like to continue reading your point of view. But your last several comments have been condescending to Toni and have had a strong passive-aggressive undercurrent. You say you’ve worked hard to advance the goals of the tea party movement; I believe you. Thank you for the work you’ve done. I haven’t done anywhere near the amount of work that you and Toni have, but I’ve made many dozens of calls and written dozens of e-mails to our senators and representatives at the federal level and at the state level. I plan to do more in the future. I’m sure you do, too.
Group dynamics can be difficult. But effective teams learn how to work together, and that requires everyone to make a concerted effort to make that team effective. Let’s advance our goals instead of fighting amongst ourselves.
Apparently you missed the post by toni when she said I refused to work…
Responding to such a ridiculously untrue allegation is not passive aggressive behavior, it is using the record as evidence of the truth.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Toni –
Only recently have I begun posting regular comments on this site. I’ve worked as a team leader, a staff manager, and an IT project manager. Leadership is often a thankless job. Whatever decision you make is going to upset someone. I’ve seen good leaders and bad leaders — you are a good leader. My opinion is based on my own seventeen-year’s worth of experience. Don’t let the dissension of a few get to you. Keep doing what you’re doing, you’re doing it well.
I appreciate your leadership.
Hi Toni
It was good to see you on Fox this morning. Now for the remember me part. We went on the bus with you to DC last Sept. I sat way up front by the driver. I was with Barb Kirtz. We are both from Olivia. Your interview went very well this morning. I’m still out here in Olivia spreading the word. I broke down last Nov. and got Dish and now I DVR all of Glenn Beck’s history lessons. I was never much of a TV watcher, but I now watch at least 3 hours of Fox News every day and and then I read Drudge. I talk to many on the street. I can’t find anyone who for this obamacare take over. Even one of my Lib friends has really backed down. I urge everyone to go to http://www.nolanchart.com/results.php and take this survey/ test to see what party you really support. I’m a smack dab in the middle libertarian. I went back 3 times and changed some of my choices and the best I could do to get to be conservative was centrist conservative libertarian. It was painful making to changes in my choices. It just isn’t how I see things, so I will have to start saying that I’m libertarian. That’s not bad but it just isn’t who I thought I was. Take care. Rick
Hey Rick!
Nice to hear from you!
Wow! I really know what you are talking about.
We just have to keep in mind that we cannot change the system from the top down…
It is so sad when we have to settle.
I really appreciate what you do and do not hesitate to start holding regular meetings… if we get people meeting on a regular basis we will have great candidates to choose from, I guarantee it!
Talk to you soon!
All emails, posts, tweets, and audios are shared with national.
They are well aware of what is going on.
Anyone can find their contact information at: http://teapartypatriots.org
Check out the many states that get it and get to work. The coordinators and collaborators do not try to “bring people down”.
I did want to quit and you will know why on the ning site when I chronologically list all the players that have been either co-opting or focusing on me rather then developing their own organization.
Go to the national site, my job description is there too.
These people really don’t get it and most of them are not plugged into the group I volunteer for…
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/minnesota-tea-party-patriots/2010/03/01/toni-no-bologny-show-presents-bring-home-the-politicians
Steve, Lois, & Fellow Tea Party Patriots –
Perhaps my response to Steve’s February 25 comment was a bit too harsh. I apologize. And if it was my comment that made Lois take a step back and wonder if Minnesota’s tea party website is trying to purge all but the “purists”, then I really apologize. That was not my intent.
I felt compelled to defend the declaration of tea party independence — posted by Toni and “attacked” by Steve — because I believe the declaration to be a sound document. To me, the declaration is sufficiently broad-based and inclusive of everyone who believes that the founding principles of America are under attack by the very people we’ve elected to represent us in this democratic republic, especially at the federal level.
The tea party declaration circumscribes a set of beliefs, and in that sense it does exclude certain people; for example, I doubt Obama or Barney Frank or Al Franken will be joining the tea party movement anytime soon. Although the declaration excludes certain concepts, it does not demand that people in the movement need to genuflect to every statement. Anyone who subscribes to any subset of the concepts stated in the document is welcome. In fact anyone is welcome in this movement, regardless of that person’s individual beliefs. I have no doubt people are monitoring this site who do not support any of the concepts staked out in the tea party declaration, yet they are welcome. I feel qualified to say that because no single individual or governing group speaks for this movement — not me, not anyone.
Steve suggested Toni was trying to hijack the tea party movement on behalf of the Independence Party, the party of Ross Perot. Toni can’t hijack this movement; no one can hijack this movement. This movement is a loose affiliation of people who share similar beliefs and a common opponent. It belongs to all of us, and it belongs to none of us. But…if you post a comment on this site, expect your statements to be challenged as other people weigh-in on what you have to say. Healthy debate is a good thing.
The tea party movement seeks to strengthen and restore individual freedom, free-market capitalism, and a recommitment to a constrained federal government, a federal government whose power is constrained by the Constitution of the United States.
So to Steve: I agree with you that this nation’s founding principles are morally rooted in the Judeo-Christian ethic. It is also rooted in the philosophies of ancient Greece and Rome along with many of the Enlightenment figures: Edmund Burke, Rousseau, Adam Smith, and many others. And I promise to study up on the old and new Testaments (no sarcasm intended; I will study up).
And to Lois Willard: Please do not get discouraged by anything you read on this site. The site is open to all, and sometimes we will engage in the rough-and-tumble of debate. But I assure you that underlying everything is a respect for the majesty of the individual. I can speak only for myself, but in the future I will measure my words more carefully for fear of driving someone like you away. There are a lot of good people here; you’re one of them, and you are welcome.
Andrew writes that he is “concerned about this [site's] all or nothing stance.” Stop with the posturing. This site has always welcomed any and all comments. There is no “all or nothing stance” on this site, and there never has been. Andrew does correctly reaffirm that the tea party movement is nonpartisan, something this site has been saying from its inception.
Steve’s posts have been…well…odd. He presents himself as our resident expert on all things biblical and historical, someone who possesses a uniquely keen insight into the minds of the founders of this nation. That’s fine as far as it goes, but he’s one voice, one among many — just like me and everyone else on this site. In one of my posts, I gave Steve’s wrist a rhetorical slap because I felt he was being disingenuous: he was all too eager to take offense at the tea party’s declaration of independence. The document was posted by Toni, but Toni did not write it, she merely posted it.
I tried to mend fences with Steve, but he insists on being offended and seems determined to sow dissent by claiming that Toni is trying to lock-out anyone who doesn’t adhere to his interpretation of non-partisanship, never mind that even a casual reading of Toni’s past comments reveal an unwavering commitment to non-partisanship. In short, methinks Steve doth protest too much.
My advice to anyone who is trying to discern who stands for what on this site read through the many posts archived on it and make your own informed decision about who is posturing and who is “authentic.” There’s room for all kinds of differing views within this movement, so have at it. It’s clear to me that Toni is a natural leader who is in this movement for the right reasons. For the record, I’ve never met Toni. I know her only through her many comments on this site and by okay surely listening to her radio program.
I’ve voted Democrat, Independent, and Republican. For the last several years I’ve voted Republican almost exclusively, and I’ll continue to do so unless a truly conservative and viable (electable) candidate emerges outside the Republican Party. But let’s not be naïve about the Republican Party: it’s a group of people united for a variety of reasons. As with any group — including the tea party movement — there are pretenders, sycophants, turncoats, and principled leaders.
I am center-right on the political spectrum. I believe in American Exceptionalism. And I believe this country is being betrayed by many of our elected representatives. That’s why I’m here.
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Tea Party Movie after the March 2/27 6pm at Kelley Inn
I believe that the TEA Party movement needs to maintain a cell-based structure. Each community independent but communicating with others.
This document seems to be of uncertain origins. Is it not sufficient to demand adherence to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution by the federal government?
Do we really need to take positions on areas of policy disagreement, such as whether those accused of planning war crimes should be afforded the ancient and Biblical right of presumption of innocence, or should they be declared guilty by the blogosphere and denied their unalienable rights granted by the Creator? Or statements about free markets and capitalism without understanding different schools and that the terms aren’t necessarily synonymous?
It seems poorly written, and a rant. By what authority is it binding? How -can- it be binding on a cell-based structure?
I certainly agree that the TEA Parties must remain independent of the political parties, and the other hats we wear, that the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence binds the federal government, and the Common Law all of the civil sphere.
I don’t think that this document secures that effectively. By declaring policy positions beyond the basics, and arguably contrary to the Declaration, Constitution and Common Law – depending on what is actually meant at a small number of points, it reads more like a statement not of liberty, but of a party platform. We don’t want to found a third party.
Please clarify.
Steve,
It is an option for those organizations that want to take a position of Independence and separate themselves from party affiliated tea party groups. The GOP has been using this movement and so will others [http://teaparty.gop.com]. We no longer have time to let squatters [all parties] come in and take up valuable volunteer opportunities, do nothing but cause distarctions only to run off with our contact list.
Or I can no longer in good conscious send people to a group I know nothing about. I also do not have time to field complaints about party fund raising events when people just want to get to work.
Saying we are separate of both Parties and won’t be co-opted is great! Sign me up!
However, the Declaration goes beyond that, and beyond the three FISCAL areas that the Tea Party is saying it is about.
It was my understanding that the Tea Party Patriots were focused on fiscal policy, not social policy. A few bits of your upper sections of the declaration are in conflict with this part – (I LOVE this part, btw) We are united in our common belief in Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets. This threefold purpose is the source of our unity in the Tea Party Movement.
We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement must all be unanimous in our specific policy views in order to win.
Yet the declaration does cite specific policy views that must be signed off on to be part of the Tea Party Patriots – Examples of specific policy goals that are outside the three fiscal goals: civilian trial for enemy combatants, claims that Federal Judiciary violates the separation of powers, RINOs, progressivism, gun rights, etc. (When the Left and the Media hear RINO, they think of a Republican who is liberal on SOCIAL issues, not fiscal ones – unless you define it)
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Also, while the Party says it is not aligned with any one Party, the Declaration only talks about affecting change and possibly voting for GOP Party candidates only. It makes no mention of (possibly) working with to change or voting for any other Party’s candidate. Are the Tea Party Patriots (MN) refining itself to be an independent movement focused on pushing the GOP exclusively to put forth more fiscally conservative candidates? I’m not against that – just looking for clarification. In some areas – a Fiscally Conservative Blue Dog Democrat is preferable to a Socially Conservative but Fiscally Liberal Republican. Perhaps use some of the same language about voting for both Parties? (I put the same two lines you used under both parties below)
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I know suggestions on a person’s writing is about as welcome as a kick in the nuts (that’s how much I enjoy it, if I had nuts) but perhaps a small reorg this Declaration just a bit to change the parts of it that are in conflict with itself. (like removing social issues, defining what RINO is for this document, moving the 10th amendment language to the bottom since both Parties like to crap all over that one, adding “fiscally” before Conservative, changing Democrat Party to Democratic Partyetc) Very few changes, really. Most of this document is very inspired, passionate, and something I believe most people in the USA are feeling in their heart.
Excellent work!
Cara
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Declaration of Tea Party Independence
I. As the course of human events winds its way through History, it has found some paths lead to Tyranny and some to Liberty. In seeking a path to Liberty, a great and powerful movement is now rising from every corner of our land. Created by the Will of the American People, it rejects unconstitutional domination by the Government that is supposed to be its servant. This movement has arisen, in large part, because our elected officials have failed us.
For much of its history the United States has been a land of prosperity and liberty, sound policies such as fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and a belief in the free market have safeguarded this condition. In recent years however, Congress, the President, the Federal Reserve Board and the Courts have replaced those practices with profligate government spending and expansion of the government power beyond what is constitutionally permissible.
This course, if not reversed, can only lead to economic collapse and tyranny.
Therefore, Individuals acting through the Tea Party Movement, seek to restore the policies, which are proven to safeguard liberty and prosperity for all. We will organize, demonstrate and vote until this restoration has been achieved. We will stay focused on this goal and remain INDEPENDENT from any persons or political parties who seek to distract us from this end.
Many seek to define this Movement, to use it, to lead it, to co-opt it, to channel it, to control it, to defeat it.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
The Tea Party Movement is in agreement with our Founders that the government that governs least governs best. We believe that Capitalism – NOT GOVERNMENT – is essential to the creation of wealth and a vastly reduced government provides the foundation for a thriving Capitalist system.
The Tea Party Movement of America embraces and serves people of all races, creeds, religions, and political affiliations, and we declare ourselves to be independent of all those forces that seek to manipulate our actions or control our destiny.
II. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Democratic Party and its power drunk junta in Washington DC, which is currently seeking to impose a Socialist agenda on our Republic.
We reject arrogant Left-wing politicians who furtively hide from public scrutiny, as they cut corrupt deals loaded with earmarks and pork in order to produce 2000 page pieces of legislation so purposely incomprehensible, they do not even bother to read them before foisting them upon us.
We reject the endless creation of myriad federal government agencies that drown free enterprise and local control in the swarms of education, energy, ecology, and commerce bureaucrats who style themselves “czars” sent to harass us. We reject the creation of federal government regulations and agencies which demand the States pay for unfunded Federal mandates.
We reject a Democratic Party which refuses to give credence to our demands for just redress of grievances and which insults and seeks to demonize our legal right to peacefully protest the unjust laws it inflicts upon us.
We reject a profligate Government that is spending TRILLIONS of dollars on worthless socialist schemes designed to bankrupt us and put the American people in a position of dependence on the State, as peasants begging for their very sustenance from self-styled “educated classes” and so-called “experts”.
We reject a foreign policy which bows and scrapes and apologizes before the world for America.
We demand the Democratic Party recognize that while the Tea Party Movement cannot guarantee their aid will help them win elections, it is very likely WE CAN MAKE THEM LOSE if they are disdainful of our goals.
We insist that the Tea Party Movement does NOT consider the election of Democrats in and of itself to be necessarily beneficial to our goals.
III. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Republican Party, which has in the past manipulated its Fiscally Conservative Base to win election after election and which then betrays everything that Base fought for and believed.
We reject the Republican Party professionals who now seek to use the Tea Party Movement for their corrupt and narrow political purposes. We demand the Republican Party understand that we reject its attempts to co-opt us.
We acknowledge that standing on our principles does not mean throwing out our common sense; we will NOT abandon our principles in the name of a nonexistent bipartisanship or a misguided devotion to an illusion of “pragmatism”, which disguises a desire to betray us in its name.
We reject the idea that the electoral goals of the Republican Party are identical to the goals of the Tea Party Movement or that this Movement is an adjunct to the Republican Party.
We reject the scare tactics of the Republican Party, which seeks to herd us into voting for candidates who supposedly represent the “lesser of two evils” in the name of fealty to the principle of small government and then having to suffer such candidates as they betray that principle. We are not well served by parasites whose livelihoods depend on the very State whose power to reward or sanction we elected them to limit and proscribe.
WE WILL WORK AGAINST THEM when they oppose our views by trying to force Fiscally Liberal (RINO) candidates on us. When Republicans are in accord with their Fiscally Conservative Base as well as the Independent voters who align with it, IT WINS; when they are NOT in accord with the Fiscally Conservative Base and the Independent voters who align with it, IT LOSES.
We reject RINO money; we reject RINO “advice”; we reject RINO “professional experience”; we reject RINO support of Big Government; we reject RINO back room deal making; we reject RINO pork spending; we reject false RINO professions of Fiscally Conservative views and we reject the RINO’s statist subversion of the principles of small government for which the Republican Party is supposed to stand.
We demand the Republican Party recognize that while the Tea Party Movement cannot guarantee their aid will help them win elections, it is very likely WE CAN MAKE THEM LOSE if they are disdainful of our goals.
We insist that the Tea Party Movement does NOT consider the election of Republicans in and of itself to be necessarily beneficial to our goals.
IV. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Media, which has proved itself to be anything BUT a fair and balanced enterprise and which focuses more on entertainment, fear mongering and shock value than investigation and unbiased fact.
We reject the fiction that an unbiased media still exists; there is friendly media and there is unfriendly ENE-media. The Tea Party Movement refuses to give false credence to the self-aggrandizing, self-deluding lie that ANY PART of the Fourth Estate is free of the self-serving agendas of those who own them.
V. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of self-styled “leaders” who claim to speak for the Tea Party Movement. This movement is not a brand name to be used to sell product; nor is it a logo to be used to justify profiting off its name.
We reject those who seek to personally capitalize on our popularity and momentum by trying to associate with our cause.
We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement is “led” by anyone other than the millions of average citizens who make it up. The Tea Party Movement understands that as a Free People, we need to SAVE OURSELVES, BY OURSELVES, FOR OURSELVES.
The Tea Party Movement is not “led.” The Tea Party Movement LEADS.
VI. We are united in our common belief in Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets. This threefold purpose is the source of our unity in the Tea Party Movement.
We reject all acts that ignore or diminish the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution and we seek to have all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution to be reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement must all be unanimous in our specific policy views in order to win. We recognize that the current situation requires we come together in confederation to achieve the MANY MUTUAL GOALS we all seek to accomplish.
We recognize that the current situation requires that we concentrate on the many things we have in common rather than those few things about which we may disagree.
We are the Tea Party Movement of America and we believe in American Exceptionalism.
We believe that American Exceptionalism is found in its devotion to the cause of Liberty.
We believe that Liberty is based in rational self-interest, in freedom of thought, in free markets, free association, free speech, a free press and the ability granted us under the Constitution TO DIRECT OUR OWN AFFAIRS FREE OF THE DICTATES OF AN EVER EXPANDING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS AS VORACIOUS IN ITS DESIRE FOR POWER AS IT IS INCOMPETENT AND DANGEROUS IN ITS EXERCISE.
We believe that either fate or history has chosen this Country to be a beacon of freedom and prosperity to the whole world because of America’s belief in and vigorous defense of political and economic Liberty. The United States has been the instrument of Liberty against the many tyrannies that have threatened the people of this world.
The Tea Party Movement rejects the idea that America has to apologize to a far guiltier world that has been largely unappreciative of the sacrifices made on their behalf by the brave and noble members of our Armed Forces, whose sacrifice and patriotic service in our defense makes all else possible.
The Tea Party Movement rejects the imposition of “transformational change” performed on our Nation by smug elites who call themselves the “educated class”.
The Tea Party Movement understands that our Nation is NOT the same thing as our government and that America is much more than simply a militarily and economically powerful State.
The Tea Party Movement sees America as something exceptional, as something unique, as something that came into existence to fulfill the hope of all previous generations that longed for freedom.
It came into existence because it is more than simply a country with land and population and riches and armaments. America came into existence because LIBERTY is an eternal concept in the mind of both God AND Man.
The United States of America came into existence because Mankind needs freedom the same way it needs food and air and property and security and love.
And what is freedom other than the RIGHT to be free of the tyranny of Government and the elitist, self-styled aristocrats who seek to run it at our expense and to our detriment?
The Tea Party Movement will fight this danger to our Liberty as long as its members have breath in their bodies.
When America didn’t exist men and women were compelled to invent it, BECAUSE MANKIND CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT FREEDOM AND STILL BE FULLY HUMAN.
To this goal we mutually pledge to each other, as our Founding Fathers did over two centuries ago, our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Declaration of Tea Party Independence
I. As the course of human events winds its way through History, it has found some paths lead to Tyranny and some to Liberty. In seeking a path to Liberty, a great and powerful movement is now rising from every corner of our land. Created by the Will of the American People, it rejects unconstitutional domination by the Government that is supposed to be its servant. This movement has arisen, in large part, because our elected officials have failed us.
For much of its history the United States has been a land of prosperity and liberty, sound policies such as fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and a belief in the free market have safeguarded this condition. In recent years however, Congress, the President, the Federal Reserve Board and the Courts have replaced those practices with profligate government spending and expansion of the government power beyond what is
constitutionally permissible.
This course, if not reversed, can only lead to economic collapse and tyranny.
Therefore, Individuals acting through the Tea Party Movement, seek to restore the policies, which are proven to safeguard liberty and prosperity for all. We will organize, demonstrate and vote until this restoration has been achieved. We will stay focused on this goal and remain INDEPENDENT from any persons or political parties who seek to distract us from this end.
Many seek to define this Movement, to use it, to lead it, to co-opt it, to channel it, to control it, to defeat it.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
The Tea Party Movement is in agreement with our Founders that the government that governs least governs best. We believe that Capitalism – NOT GOVERNMENT – is essential to the creation of wealth and a vastly reduced government provides the foundation for a thriving Capitalist system.
The Tea Party Movement of America embraces and serves people of all races, creeds, religions, and political affiliations, and we declare ourselves to be independent of all those forces that seek to manipulate our actions or control our destiny.
II. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Democrat Party and its power drunk junta in Washington DC, which is currently seeking to impose a Socialist agenda on our Republic.
We reject arrogant Left-wing politicians who furtively hide from public scrutiny, as they cut corrupt deals loaded with earmarks and pork in order to produce 2000 page pieces of legislation so purposely incomprehensible, they do not even bother to read them before foisting them upon us.
We reject the endless creation of myriad federal government agencies that drown free enterprise and local control in the swarms of education, energy, ecology, and commerce bureaucrats who style themselves “czars” sent to harass us. We reject the creation of federal government regulations and agencies which demand the States pay for unfunded Federal mandates.
We reject a Democrat Party which refuses to give credence to our demands for just redress of grievances and which insults and seeks to demonize our legal right to peacefully protest the unjust laws it inflicts upon us.
We reject a profligate Government that is spending TRILLIONS of dollars on worthless socialist schemes designed to bankrupt us and put the American people in a position of dependence on the State, as peasants begging for their very sustenance from self-styled “educated classes” and so-called “experts”.
We reject a foreign policy which bows and scrapes and apologizes before the world for America.
We reject an Attorney General of the United States who offers succor and rights to vicious terrorist murderers and seeks to protect them with a mock civilian trial when such enemy combatants, captured on the field of battle, should be tried in secure military courts.
We reject the claims of an un-elected Federal Judiciary to violate the separation of powers by demanding its decisions be enforced by the other coequal branches of government, regardless of how unconstitutional the other branches of government may think those decisions are.
We reject all acts that ignore or diminish the 2nd and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution and we seek to have all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution to be reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
III. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Republican Party, which has in the past manipulated its Conservative Base to win election after election and which then betrays everything that Base fought for and believed.
We reject the idea that the electoral goals of the Republican Party are identical to the goals of the Tea Party Movement or that this Movement is an adjunct to the Republican Party.
We reject the Republican Party professionals who now seek to use the Tea Party Movement for their corrupt and narrow political purposes.
We acknowledge that standing on our principles does not mean throwing out our common sense; we will NOT abandon our principles in the name of a nonexistent bipartisanship or a misguided devotion to an illusion of “pragmatism”, which disguises a desire to betray us in its name.
We reject the scare tactics of the Republican Party, which seeks to herd us into voting for candidates who supposedly represent the “lesser of two evils” in the name of fealty to the principle of small government and then having to suffer such candidates as they betray that principle. We are not well served by parasites whose livelihoods depend on the very State whose power to reward or sanction we elected them to limit and proscribe.
We insist that the Tea Party Movement does NOT consider the election of Republicans in and of itself to be necessarily beneficial to our goals.
We demand the Republican Party understand that we reject its attempts to co-opt us.
WE WILL WORK AGAINST THEM when they oppose our views by trying to force Republicans In Name Only (RINO) on us. When Republicans are in accord with their Conservative Base as well as the Independent voters who align with it, IT WINS; when they are NOT in accord with the Conservative Base and the Independent voters who align with it, IT LOSES.
We reject RINO money; we reject RINO “advice”; we reject RINO “professional experience”; we reject RINO “progressivism”; we reject RINO support of Big Government; we reject RINO back room deal making; we reject RINO pork spending; we reject false RINO professions of Conservative views and we reject the RINO’s statist subversion of the principles of small government for which the Republican Party is supposed to stand.
Republican Party attempts to ignore the will of the Base, as it did in 1976, 1992, 1996, 2006 and 2008, resulted in disaster; when it embraces the will of the Base, as it did in 1980, 1984 and 1994, it wins historic victories.
We demand the Republican Party recognize that while the Tea Party Movement cannot guarantee their aid will help them win elections, it is very likely WE CAN MAKE THEM LOSE if they are disdainful of our goals.
IV. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of the Media, which has proved itself to be anything BUT a fair and balanced enterprise and which focuses more on entertainment, fear mongering and shock value than investigation and unbiased fact.
We reject the fiction that an unbiased media still exists; there is friendly media and there is unfriendly ENE-media. The Tea Party Movement refuses to give false credence to the self-aggrandizing, self-deluding lie that ANY PART of the Fourth Estate is free of the self-serving agendas of those who own them.
V. We Declare ourselves INDEPENDENT of self-styled “leaders” who claim to speak for the Tea Party Movement. This movement is not a brand name to be used to sell product; nor is it a logo to be used to justify profiting off its name.
We reject those who seek to personally capitalize on our popularity and momentum by trying to associate with our cause.
We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement is “led” by anyone other than the millions of average citizens who make it up. The Tea Party Movement understands that as a Free People, we need to SAVE OURSELVES, BY OURSELVES, FOR OURSELVES.
The Tea Party Movement is not “led.” The Tea Party Movement LEADS.
VI. We are united in our common belief in Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets. This threefold purpose is the source of our unity in the Tea Party Movement.
We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement must all be unanimous in our specific policy views in order to win. We recognize that the current situation requires we come together in confederation to achieve the MANY MUTUAL GOALS we all seek to accomplish.
We recognize that the current situation requires that we concentrate on the many things we have in common rather than those few things about which we may disagree.
We are the Tea Party Movement of America and we believe in American Exceptionalism.
We believe that American Exceptionalism is found in its devotion to the cause of Liberty.
We believe that Liberty is based in rational self-interest, in freedom of thought, in free markets, free association, free speech, a free press and the ability granted us under the Constitution TO DIRECT OUR OWN AFFAIRS FREE OF THE DICTATES OF AN EVER EXPANDING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS AS VORACIOUS IN ITS DESIRE FOR POWER AS IT IS INCOMPETENT AND DANGEROUS IN ITS EXERCISE.
We believe that either fate or history has chosen this Country to be a beacon of freedom and prosperity to the whole world because of America’s belief in and vigorous defense of political and economic Liberty. The United States has been the instrument of Liberty against the many tyrannies that have threatened the people of this world.
The Tea Party Movement rejects the idea that America has to apologize to a far guiltier world that has been largely unappreciative of the sacrifices made on their behalf by the brave and noble members of our Armed Forces, whose sacrifice and patriotic service in our defense makes all else possible.
The Tea Party Movement rejects the imposition of “transformational change” performed on our Nation by smug elites who call themselves the “educated class”.
The Tea Party Movement understands that our Nation is NOT the same thing as our government and that America is much more than simply a militarily and economically powerful State.
The Tea Party Movement sees America as something exceptional, as something unique, as something that came into existence to fulfill the hope of all previous generations that longed for freedom.
It came into existence because it is more than simply a country with land and population and riches and armaments. America came into existence because LIBERTY is an eternal concept in the mind of both God AND Man.
The United States of America came into existence because Mankind needs freedom the same way it needs food and air and property and security and love.
And what is freedom other than the RIGHT to be free of the tyranny of Government and the elitist, self-styled aristocrats who seek to run it at our expense and to our detriment?
The Tea Party Movement will fight this danger to our Liberty as long as its members have breath in their bodies.
When America didn’t exist men and women were compelled to invent it, BECAUSE MANKIND CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT FREEDOM AND STILL BE FULLY HUMAN.
To this goal we mutually pledge to each other, as our Founding Fathers did over two centuries ago, our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
February 24, 2010
Toni (and fellow members of the Tea Party Movement),
I logged on to paste an article from powerlineblog.com that exposes the profligate spending of Michael Steele, the hapless chairman of the Republican National Committee. The article is posted below, but…
I am simply blown away by Toni’s post — the declaration of tea party independence. That declaration is dead on! Thank you Toni; thank you ten thousand times for clearly articulating our goals. Well done!
Pasted below is an article (with links) that sadly reveal how little the Republicans have learned since they were thrown out of office.
He’s the chairman; how do we deal with it?
February 23, 2010 Posted by Paul at 1:31 PM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/02/025664.php
Republicans are poised to do well in November 2010 and, quite possibly, beyond. But doubts persist about the party’s fitness to become relevant to the governance of this country again.
These doubts are well-founded. Throughout the last decade, Republicans spent [irresponsibly]. And at the congressional level, they too often behaved corruptly.
This, of course, is the main reason why a strong power base for fiscal prudence and non-imperial governance has developed outside the confines of the Republican Party. Without the trust of this base, the Republican Party’s hopes for success are slim, indeed.
That’s why it’s disquieting to read about the spending spree of RNC head Michael Steele. According to this report [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33324.html], Steele is spending twice as much as his recent predecessors on private planes, and paying more for limousines, catering and flowers. This development is said be infuriating the party’s major donors. Imagine how it will play among members of the Tea Party movement, many of whom already look askance at the Republican Party.
What will they make, for example, of reports that
Steele hired renowned chef Wolfgang Puck’s local crew to cater the RNC’s Christmas party inside the trendy Newseum, instead of RNC headquarters where it formerly had been, and then moved the annual winter meeting from Washington to Hawaii;
The committee’s payments for charter flights doubled; the number of sedan contractors tripled, and meal expenses jumped from $306,000 to $599,000;
Since Steele took over the chairmanship last winter, he has raised $10 million less than the party collected in 2005, spent $10 million more, and seen a $23 million surplus shrink to $8.4 million?
I know what I make of these indicia of fiscal irresponsibility and imperial behavior: they are distressing.
Don’t worry about the “R” party… they are a product of their own making, I left there a few years ago due to a lack of fiscal responsibility and the games they play. They had their chances and they squandered them… more than once. Cast them to the lions!
This document was drafted by http://rightprincipals.com
Other national leaders in the movement helped to edit it to it’s current version and it was simultaneously released today at 10:00am [except I was late]
Not everyone has to sign on to it… it is a free country. However, parties seem to talk to themselves. We talk to each other.
Since I do this for free, and my time is limited, I will only work with those who do!
This movement has been co-opted by tribal marketing guru’s in and out of the parties.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Steve,
Your opinion is valuable but it is also just one opinion.
We represent all parties that can produce conservative candidates.
I have no history or knowledge of the IP party up until a couple of weeks ago.
It is Dean’s words not mine and I am not endorsing, but merely passing the information along.
You are not aware of the demographics of this movement. The GOP would be foolish to isolate itself from 2/3 of our members that are not Republicans.
A message from Dean Barkley:
Dear Tea Party Patriots!
Do you want the conservative movement to create real change? Then it must take the next step. Only by electing decent people who believe as you do, can our nation transform itself.
Hello, my name is Dean Barkley. I have spent the last twenty years trying to change the ways things are done by our corrupt two party system. I began by forming the Reform Party in Minnesota. Later, we changed the name to the Independence Party, ran candidates, and eventually elected Jesse Ventura as the most widely known governor in America. Like you, the traditional political parties hated us. I just ran for the US Senate, and received 15% of the vote – with no money! The point it: change can happen!
People nationwide understand how bankrupt the two party system is (and has bankrupted America, too!). To be effective, this movement must transform into being a real political force and fast. To do so, it must create the legal, financial, and staffing infrastructure that a real political party has. The Republican Party is trying to lure some of you into its folds with pretty promises. But don’t be fooled. They just want your time, money, and votes. And they will continue business as usual – and run things their way!
I consider myself a political revolutionary, and therefore, I am one of you! I created the Independence Party in MN, and I have a plan. If enough tea partiers join the Independence Party, it becomes you! Think of it. YOU run the Independence Party, not the other way around! With all of the legal and political infrastructure elements it has. This will save lots of time and trouble. The scattered tea party people become The Tea Party – in name as well as fact. A real party – that can change things. You can do this in two weeks. Register online at MNIP.org. If three hundred do, and become delegates, they will own the Independence Party. They can change its name to Tea Party – and inherit all the party structure you need! Register to be a delegate. You can do it online. But hurry, the online caucus closes on 2/28/2010.
Let’s get back to the future and back to the United States Constitution, limited government, and the fiscal common sense of living within our means.
Sincerely, Dean Barkley
Dean US Senator Barkley,
If your suggestion was that we take over the Independence Party and use it to identify candidates to run in major party elections that would be a great idea. If you would — as current leader of the Independent Party — promote this plank change in the Independent Party, I would join you in a flash.
Why? Because it can be done without usurping the ‘Tea Party’ name and would instead create a means of usurping power from major parties when they are most vulnerable — at their primary.
What do you think?
That’s a solid idea.
That way you can work on building the 3rd party on November 3rd 2010 as an insurance policy to keep the newly elected officials in the two parties honest.
Yep! Exactly!
But don’t expect them to lay down quietly.
I believe they approached us to breath new life into their party and we have to now test his idea to see if they can really let “We The People” do the right thing!
No, but if you are a leader you know that many were calling for a third party!
Only the Dems, Reps, and IP can get $400,000 from the state before August…
It makes no sense to start a new party…
Also, it is important to be involved in the leadership of all parties that can produce a conservative candidate!
Many of our members want NOTHING to do with the GOP.
You have to decide what you goals are: Grow the movement and duplicate what works or kill the movement and duplicate what doesn’t.
Are you part of the problem or the solution? Leave you party at the door and get to work on getting principled candidates to represent us.
I agree with Toni in most of this. Republicans duped tea party voters into giving them a Senator in Massachusetts and look where that got them. Another appeaser in search of the federal government to spend and send money to his state. It’s sad that so many here are willing to keep giving their vote away to Republicans who will take it with a wink and keep spending away. All this posturing about agreeing with the Tea Party movement…. when did they espouse any of it a few years ago? Nowhere. They just want our votes now. Why keep getting duped. Apply real pressure of a third party and you will see real results.
Tea Party Movement Untamed By Lloyd Marcus – NewsWithViews.com – February 21, 2010
It appears everyone and his brother is seeking to categorize, direct and
control the incredible increasing powerful phenomenon known as the Tea
Party Movement. Some say it is doomed to fail because it does not have a
single charismatic leader. Some say taking a stand on social issues such
as abortion is death to the movement. Stick to the Constitution is their
mantra. Some fret, what about the in-fighting and groups splintering off
to form new groups? Ticket prices sparked controversy at the first Tea
Party Convention. Some believe the movement should forever remain
grassroots. Some say the GOP is hijacking the movement. Some say we
should not pick candidates. Some say it is silly not to pick candidates.
During CNN and BBC radio interviews, I was confronted as a black
conservative with, /”And what about those racist signs at the Tea Parties?”/
Yes, the feelings, thoughts and opinions of Tea Party patriots are all
over the place. What a mess! Well, I say how wonderful! I mean, think
about it. Millions of Americans who have been passively watching our
country slipping away for years are suddenly passionately seeking to
restore it. So, frankly, I do not care that the movement is a bit wild
and free. Scott Brown’s shocking historic win in Massachusetts confirms
that we are making a huge difference.
To those who caution, stay away from social issues, I disagree. I see
the Tea Party movement as being about passion, taking a stand and
forcing politicians to listen to we the people. If your conscience and
heart drives you to politically fight for the rights of the unborn and
allowing God back into the public square, go for it! But, do not war
against other patriots who do not share your passion. Focus your energy
toward the opposition.
As for the movement needing a single charismatic leader, if or when it
does, a leader will emerge.
Reporters love to jump on the issue of in-fighting within the movement.
Well, this is going to happen wherever there are human beings. Every
movement has opposing strategists, egos, hot heads and plain old bad
apples. The Black Panthers broke away from MLK because they thought his
non violent civil rights movement was too wimpy.
Jesus’ movement only had twelve guys. While they believed in and rallied
around Jesus, they all had different ideas about how to get things done.
John was about love, Peter was a hot head, Paul thought he was the
smartest guy in the room and Judas was a bad apple. The Tea Party
movement has millions of patriots. It is impossible to control them. Nor
do I want to. Amidst the so called tea party chaos, we stopped
government controlled health care, elected Scott Brown and deaf to the
will of the people politicians are running scared.
While I have not seen a racist sign at a tea party, apparently a few
have been seen. As I stated, every movement has a few bad apples. I have
attended over one hundred tea parties around the country and traveling
on Tea Party Express tours I & II. 99.9% of the attendees could not care
less about Obama’s race. They are decent hard working citizens who love
their country and disagree with the direction President Obama is taking
us. Attempting to simply write them off as “angry whites” is extremely
divisive and a supreme display of a lack of character.
It is impossible for the Tea Party movement to remain totally
grassroots. Things move forward or backwards. Nothing in life stays the
same. The rallies were great, “we’re mad as hell and we’re not gonna
take it anymore,” support group events. The logical next step was to
organize to do something about our concerns. Thus, I do not have a
problem with the movement progressing to the next level.
I also love the charge that the republicans are hijacking the movement.
If the republicans are finally listening to the people and embracing our
issues which are fiscal responsibility, less government intrusion and a
strong national defense, I say, Hallelujah! But listen up republicans,
you can not just talk the talk. You must walk the walk!
For those who are stressed because this high spirited bucking bronco
movement refuses to be tamed, chill out. It’s all good. Sometimes, I
believe, you just gotta let go and let God.
There is one seduction I strongly advise against, a third party. It
would ensure liberals winning elections. However, if the republicans
select a liberal turkey to run, we tea party patriots must select a
conservative eagle to run against both party’s liberals. Now, that’s the
power of we the people.
So, go forth my fellow patriots. Keep collectively and individually
doing whatever your passions and skills lead you to do to Take Back America!
Lloyd Marcus (black) Unhyphenated American
, Singer/Songwriter,
Entertainer, Author, Artist & Tea Party Patriot
And insightful speech by George Will at this weekend’s CPAC convention:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/02/20/george-wills-spectacular-speech-cpac
The increase in bank lobbyist are swarming our congress to try to stop them from any regulation of our “too big to fail” banks.
Apparently, these financial institutions are sending the lobbyist in not just once a week, or once a day – but many in one day.
They do not want to go back to being regulated so that they can keep trying to use bad financial practices that brought us to our knees not too long ago. Don’t know about what some of you all think, but my knees still hurt.
It would be nice to send in the troops to block some of these bodies (figurtive speaking) from forcing their way into our legislature, right? Wouldn’t that be fun?
To stop this Long Term:
I always recommend relocating US Reps to our Local Districts and US Senators to our State Capitals to spread them out so it becomes far more difficult for lobbyists and party leaders to influence congressional members.
I also think we need to think long and hard about supporting “regulations” of the financial system especially when they’re in bulk packages.
For example, SARBANES-OXLEY was actually a gift to major corporations because it created such an expensive wall of accounting bureaucracy that smaller companies that had the best new product to challenge the current industry leaders cannot now make the jump because they can’t afford to pay for all the new accountants to comply.
Upon closer examination, we’ll find similar “regulations” that actually benefit a lot of the bigger corporations. For example, they want to give the FED more power over other banks. The FED itself is a banking cartel and they can use this new power to wipe out more competitors much like Goldman Sachs used the financial crisis “rescue” effort to wipe out their rival Bear Stearns.
People need to be more educated on Business and Economics. Those with even the most basic knowledge of SUPPLY & DEMAND would have immediately realized that when they were being offered “$10,000+ loan, No Money Down, Low APR” that it is the same as being told “Here, try this…The first hit’s free”
Immediate things you can do:
Find out which banks or financial groups are lobbying congress and get together many unemployed people and start picketing at the nearest financial institution of theirs.
If you can’t find one, look for a company that is either a subsidiary or a nearby congressional office you think might be lobbying.
It’s not a well known story, but this was how the TARP money was allowed to be paid back.
Grass roots organizers threatened to start picketing outside of 1000′s of Bank of America branches across the country unless Congress/the administration agreed to let them pay back the money.
It makes no difference where legislatures work. Lobbyists and the fickle public will always find them. Just goes to show that so-called tea partiers can have the same naive pipe dreams as progressives.
@ Dave
Well, thanks for clearing things up.
You’re obviously running the status quo “nihilist” routine to everything and anything you come across on this site.
Yes, the lobbyists will still find them, but they now need to setup in all 50 states and have to contend with a watchful public.
A dedicated minority can always offset the damage done by an “fickle” public.
In fact, restoring balance to our system might just be enough to wake a sizable amount of the apathetic public to becoming active citizens.
It’s happening already on a daily basis.
Soon you’ll have to replace the phrase “so-called tea partiers” with “American Public”
I don’t think you would want to replace it “American Public” becuase that would include folks who have contrasting opinions to you. We are all “We the people.” no matter what tea partiers might think. There are patriots with contrasting opinions from your’s. No matter how hard one tries, those people will not go away.
Don’t get me wrong, your idea is interesting. But it is not realistic. And I’m sure you don’t want to ban lobbyists. And remember, the average citizen lobbies his or her member of congress. Tea Partiers who barge into a congressional office are lobbying, just like other protestors. But I guess you mean those coporate/non-profit/labor lobbyists, the one’s with the money. By that account I guess you disagreed with the Superme Court ruling about corporate personhood. We may just agree on that one.
Perhaps fun, but also unconstitutional.
http://www.jimslaughter.com/robertsrules.htm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/minnesota-tea-party-patriots/2010/02/20/toni-no-bologny-on-minnesota-tea-party-patriots
Toni –
Thanks for posting the link to your weekly radio show; it was great. I’ve listened to your show before, but it’s been a while. Are you doing it weekly again? Is it every Friday at 7 PM? And…what’s the call-in number?
Wayne
Wayne,
I will be doing a regular show on Sunday evenings and intermittent broadcasts as opportunities for education or awareness pops up.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/minnesota-tea-party-patriots/
Sunday Evenings at 9pm Central starting tonight!
Thanks, Toni. I respect you greatly. You’ve been involved in the Tea Party movement from the beginning, and I know you’re in this for the long haul. Salute!
Taxes lowered? Maybe for now, but with localities finding their federal and state reimbursements reduced, our property taxes are next in line for increases to keep up the costs of local government.
Hey, I just want to know why it is that some of the people in the “tea party” movement are seemingly protesting things that are not happening? You are people of Minnesota, and we usually consider ourselves pretty well informed, and common sense people – what is with all the terrible comments from those in your “movement”? Does this movement really want to represent themselves as being so incredibly “out there”?
This whole movement doesn’t seem to have a focus other then anger. Are you really informing your group from a neutral source, or just following what ever information that you want? Minnesota has always taken their politics seriously, but with an amount of respect.
What is it that you are trying to do? Do you realize most of you who protest your “tax” protest, actually have had your taxes reduced? Can you actually associated yourselves with people who spread hate messages, and call for senators to be “hung”?
Unless you actually participate in the conversations with your fellow citizens about what their concerns are, your opinion is unqualified.
You need to diversify your news sources. Most of us do not listen to MSM and we get our information by doing research.
You are obviously trying to “classify” us rather than letting us utilize our 1st Amendment rights. Tell me, is your position that the 1st Amendment is only for your kind of American?
We do not follow any kind of group think so you won’t be able to pigeon hole us. Everyone is unique [a scientific fact] and we like to keep it that way in the movement. We do not follow a party or any one leader, we stay decentralized on purpose. Those who want to control this movement, are, well, CONTROLLING!
Well, that sounds better. Nice to know you have a clear mind. Nothing like what i have been attacked by. I am not looking for “one party or the other”. I am amazed at some of the comments that have been used by those who say they are part of the tea party movement.
Why else would I come here and make a comment as I did? I grew up in Minnesota, and everyone I knew grew up knowing how to work hard, didn’t matter what party they claim to support and we had respect for each other regardless.
But, my concern is from those comments that had led me to this site. Wondering “what on earth”? Some pretty extreme and quite honestly abusrd and a waste of time.
So, perhaps these people who claim to be part of the tea party movement are just a few
who are extreme, but doesn’t represent the whole movement.
So, what qualifies as a good comment? I needed to see my fellow Minnesotians that were invovled in this movement weren’t so incredibly uninformed and so off the board. Call it
a good concern. We have too much of that kind of crap already.
State taxes may be down, but the increases in Federal Taxes along with the invisible tax of inflation are all going up.
Ever read the declaration of independence… it warns of “abolishing” a form of gov’t that no longer functions. We have now come full circle, the gov’t that outgrew its usefulness now needs to be abolished… I don’t think I will get an argument from anybody here on that one. I am not sure about hanging… but if they rig their own elections and stack courts for their own benefit, they have to be removed. The founders knew we could arrive back at the same spot they had fought and died to save us from. We can put our heads in the sand and try to believe we can repair 40 years (or more) of crooked politics by going to the ballot box. But the longer this drags out, the more power they grab, the more entrenched they get, the more raises they give themselves and more bonuses for the banking crooks they bailed out (not to mention the UAW). I fear there may only be one way out… oh Lord how I hope I am wrong.
Hey – people up here in the north end of the state that are very rural and live hear year round are pretty decent candidates for thinking like many of the expressed tea party ideals – by definition, they are rugged, independant, self sufficient, thinking people who rely on their own skills to thrive in this environment. Most of us thing it is great – most of “not us” wonder out loud what you do with half a year of snow. Those who think it is great are hear by choice and believers in all the things that go with greater reliance on self – less on others (like government). So how do we become more involved in your activities and movements? How can we help without getting in our car and going to the metro centers? Maybe you should start holding the Minneapolis events in rural locations every other time – and bring your folks up here to see what it is like – and let us join you? I am serious – what can we do to be more involved? Thanks, jz
Just proof read (after hitting send – classic mistake) – please substitute here for hear and think for thing…still serious. jz
Consider doing a series of “TeaVideos” each time going over a particular part of the Constitution or promoting an idea you like such as the “Fair Tax”.
Make it a weekly video post and try to come up with a gimmick to make it fun.
With Regard to TEA Party Patriots and MN TEA Party Patriots being against forming a 3rd Party…..
Is that a top down, antithetical top down directive to a bottom up grass roots movement or was that a vote by the grassroots base?
Again, per Ronald Reagan in his first State of the Nation address, “we must negotiate from a position of strength” Ronald Reagan was referring to the USSR and I am referring to the Republican entrenched behind the scenes leadership.
If you do not hold the “third party” card, where is your strength? They will stall, decieve and ignore you unless you have ability to take away the one thing they want, power.
Again, I implore TEA Partyers to learn to play chess so you can plan a couple moves ahead. I assure you that both the Rupublicans and Democrats have planned a couple moves ahead to deal with the TEA Party Movement.
As a side note, someone suggested that we take over the precinct leadership.
But the 4-5 MN precinct chairman I have talked to say they can’t even get in touch with the state Republican leadership.
Senior Leadership of the Republican Party welcomes our votes and energy, but they reject our core values, principles and issues because it destroys the current status quo of corrupt politics.
Have to go, meeting for my local Republican Leadership starts shortly.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot.
Independent voters determine the outcome of elections — including primaries. In Minnesota, the non-endorsed candidate can win. In other words, run candidates in major party primaries — no need to form the apparatus — the benefit is to take over their party from the primary. That is how Perpich was able to consistently beat liberal democrats.
A third party takes too long and requires a base. I don’t want to wait or build. The time to win is now and it is in the primaries.
2 party vs 3rd party is an outdated argument.
If you’d promote an eCongress (relocating US Congress back to our states) you will avoid the risk of splitting votes on your side of the political spectrum because the idea appeals to all groups so if you can’t get a Repub or Independent elected you can at least have such a ground swell that you force the Dem to run on it.
Not that Glenn Beck is the “end all, be all” but he’s really been talking up this idea in the past two weeks and likely will help boost the spreading of this simple and powerful concept.
Don,
We do not dictate what organizers do and we have no control who organizes. Organizing is legal [at least for now].
The “movement” consensus is against forming a party out of the tea parties because we have more power by not being a party. We are soil menders, most of us want nothing to do with party politics. We want everything to do with educating Americans. We believe, once educated they can make informed decisions and they can pick their own party. That is bottoms up.
Parties are popping up all over the place. We do not need parties between us and our representatives. NO MORE MIDDLE MEN!
Michael: I like that idea and think about how much money we would save.
My apologies for not responding sooner; I’ve been “under the weather”.
Stating the obvious…each of us must independently make up his or her mind about forming a separate political party, and then go from there. Whichever way each of us goes individually is less important than what binds us together: our revulsion of the entrenched political class in Washington DC and their sense of entitlement as our governing elite. We need to remind them that we are a self-governing people; we must make it clear to them through our actions — our votes, our letters to the editor, our etc. — “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
Our first order of business should be to clean the Aegean stables in Washington. We must identify the good guys, and keep them. We must identify the bad guys, and remove them from the positions of leadership that belong to us, and that they have betrayed.
I believe in the two-party system because a political system with more than two major parties becomes unstable. Fringe groups — e.g. Lyndon LaRouche — gain inroads and political power. Both of our major parties are corrupt to the core. They are corrupt because we have allowed them to become corrupted. As the old saying goes…you get the government you deserve, at least in a democracy. The citizens of France are choosing the road to serfdom.
Our real opponent is not one or another political party. Our real opponent is human nature. There are lots and lots of angry people, US citizens who are fed up with the direction this country is going. But anger, especially anger at its current intensity, cannot be maintained over a long period of time — people eventually become drained. Democrats and Republicans know very well that “the public mood” changes as often as the weather. How many of us in this movement will peel away when the economy improves? How many others will peel away as time drags on and their particular pet peeve has not been dealt with? None of us can answer these questions and the myriad others that will reveal themselves as the future unfolds.
I am optimistic that many of us are in this fight for the right reasons and for the long haul. I refuse to donate to any political party. Rather, I identify a viable candidate and donate to his or her individual campaign. This year, I’ll volunteer my time. Sadly, this will be the first time I’ve ever done it. However, it will be the first of many.
Wayne
Whether it comes in the form of a separate party or within the confines of the two that are established is of no matter to me. I think that it is good to have a strong multi-party system though because won’t that just get people who run for office to move more toward the middle, which I believe is where most Americans are at. I agree 100% though on transparency and integrity of government. Common sense seems to elude mankind more and more, just watch The Jersey Shore. Remember when MTv just played cool videos?
Don, I understand your frustration. In response to your comment to Caleb and Wayne about how to take power from an 800 pound gorilla, we must take on both parties by challenging them in the primaries. That’s what Rudy Perpich and Norm Coleman did.
The independent voter, not the dyed-in-the-wool democrat or republican determines the outcome of elections. That’s why Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. And it is why we need to use the process to take back our parties — whether we lean to the right or the left. We want transparency, integrity and common sense from our elected officials.
No need for another party — in fact, that’s a perscription for irrelevance.
I can’t wait! I hope the weather will be nice that day. This will be my first event and I’m really excited to finally get out there and contribute. A legitimate third party is long overdue and this ones got some real momentum so let’s make it stick.
I do not believe a third party is the answer when two perfectly good parties already exist. The problem is not with the current party principles and policies, the problem is with the progressive invasion of both parties. They have distorted the parties beyond recognition. The only major difference I see between the parties exists in campaign trail promises. When they are done, both parties create larger social programs and increase our deficit. What happened to our conservatives? Heck, even the democrats of old were not this fiscally irresponsible.
No, we need to storm the gates of our political castles and kick every politician out that is attempting to sell us their political promises just so they can hold on to their seat indefinitely. To do that, we need to take people from the Tea Party movement and start inserting them back in to the peoples seats. From there we can re-establish the parties as they were meant to be.
I believe one of the first orders of business should be term limits so that our newly elected officials do not have to suffer the temptation of eternal power through promises. Next would be a re enforcement of the 10th amendment. The states need to learn to operate under their own budgets so they can tell the Feds to go take a flying leap, we do not need any central funding leading to central control.
The Fed should be good for nothing more than to protect our borders, regulate interstate commerce, and maintain a Federal disaster relief fund. We do not need anyone to protect us from our selves, most of us are quite capable, and we do not need to be regulated based on the inabilities of the few, local organizations do a much better job of helping those in need than the fed could ever do.
I wholeheartedly agree with Caleb: do NOT create a third party; rather, reform the two political parties already in place.
The Republican Party has drifted so far from its stated goals of fiscal conservancy and small federal-government that the party is unrecognizable. In many ways, it is indistinguishable from the Democratic Party. Both parties play the public for fools.
If this Tea Party movement is going to have any lasting effect, then we must use our energies wisely. Why waste our energy re-creating the vast infrastructure of a major political party when we can identify, fund, and vote for conservatives — true conservatives — within the major parties (Republican or Democrat).
The problem is whenever real grass roots change gets started (Tea Party) it gets absorbed by a party (Sarah Palin and the GOP). Given that trend, how can we stay in the two party system? They co-opt and neutralize, and too many of us go along for the ride without realizing nothing is changing!
Caleb and Wayne…
Please tell me your strategy for taking over or reforming the Republican Party?
Do you really think the 800 lb gorilla behind the wheel of the Republican Party is just going to move over and give you the steering wheel?
I have been asking the Minnesota Republican Leadership to meet with me for more than a month… through a republican senator, a precinct chairman, etc.
I told them I wanted to discuss the tea party…
No call, no email
Now, just to put you to the test, I challenge you to right down your 5-10 non negotiable TEA Party Values, Principals and Issues. Then Request the Republican Leadership to meet with you and put it in writing.
Let give you to the 23nd of Feb to get that done, that is 11 days..
And then please report back what happened when you asked the 800lb gorilla to share the steering wheel with you….
And I take no joy in saying this. I wish it was not true. Ignorance truly is bliss.
I would prefer that our elected officials cared about WE THE PEOPLE.
They don’t
I would prefer that we could not have to start from scratch, but the 800 lb gorilla is not going to let us use his car.
So contact a Republican Senator or Representative, the MN house or Senate Minority Chairs, or a precinct chair…
And on February 23, 2010 post here how your experience went…
You will not believe me if I told you what I experienced, so you need to feel it for your self… And don’t let them brush you off. Tell them other MN TEA Party folks have been asking for more than a month.
And then tell me again, how you are going to reform the MN Republican Party.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Caleb and Wayne…
Please tell me your strategy for taking over or reforming the Republican Party?
Do you really think the 800 lb gorilla behind the wheel of the Republican Party is just going to move over and give you the steering wheel?
I have been asking the Minnesota Republican Leadership to meet with me for more than a month… through a republican senator, a precinct chairman, etc.
I told them I wanted to discuss the tea party…
No call, no email
Now, just to put you to the test, I challenge you to right down your 5-10 non negotiable TEA Party Values, Principals and Issues. Then Request the Republican Leadership to meet with you and put it in writing.
Let give you to the 23nd of Feb to get that done, that is 11 days..
And then please report back what happened when you asked the 800lb gorilla to share the steering wheel with you….
And I take no joy in saying this. I wish it was not true. Ignorance truly is bliss.
I would prefer that our elected officials cared about WE THE PEOPLE.
They don’t
I would prefer that we could not have to start from scratch, but the 800 lb gorilla is not going to let us use his car.
So contact a Republican Senator or Representative, the MN house or Senate Minority Chairs, or a precinct chair…
And on February 23, 2010 post here how your experience went…
You will not believe me if I told you what I experienced, so you need to feel it for your self… And don’t let them brush you off. Tell them other MN TEA Party folks have been asking for more than a month.
And then tell me again, how you are going to reform the MN Republican Party.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
DMAshak@aol.com
Caleb and Wayne are right. Why form a party when we have a movement?
Don, instead of asking to meet with the Republican Leadership, some of us are BECOMING the leadership by joining precinct committees, volunteering to be precinct delegates at the caucuses and getting elected as delegates and alternates at the district conventions. Reform may not happen overnight or maybe not even this year, but if you can’t beat them, join them! Reform starts from within.
Again, you’re making things too difficult.
Just put energy into establishing an “eCongress” where US Reps are relocated to our Local Districts and US Senators are relocated to our State Capitals and a great deal of the problem is fixed.
This idea was actually proposed to US Congress on September 14th, 2001 as a highly recommended Security Update but they declined on the grounds of “reverse Field of Dreams” citing that Congress members could not be counted on to keep good attendance for voting and committee meetings if allowed to telecommute.
Now with record unemployment and corruption and don’t that argument will hold water anymore.
Caleb,
You are right! This is a leaderless movement. I happen to be a coordinator for one national organization. My job is to help people establish their group or find an established group. I HATE POLITICS, PARTIES, FAUX CANDIDATES, and people telling me if I want them to support certain legislation I need to pay to play!
Have you ever notice that you won’t even get on a an incumbent or candidates radar unless there is something in it for them and usually it means money?
Half of us are in it for the long hall and we are not interested in the campaign process. We work on the soil and the garden will take care of itself.
You get it! Others who are trying to control this movement are, well, controlling.
Tea Party Patriots [http://teapartypatriots.org] and Minnesota Tea Party Patriots is against another party forming. However, there seems to be a movement and multiple parties are popping up nationally. We welcome all conservatives to join us in our efforts to hold our representatives accountable for our tax dollars.
What do you think of this simplified version of a declaration of independence:
DECLARATION OF TEA PARTY INDEPENDENCE
For much of its history the United States has been a land of prosperity and liberty sound policies such as fiscal responsibility constitutionally limited government and a believe in the free market have safeguarded this condition. In recent years however, Congress, the President, the Federal Reserve Board and the Courts have replaced those practices with profligate government spending and expansion of the government power beyond what is constitutionally permissible with government control of banks, the auto industry and other large sectors of the economy. This course, if not reversed, can only lead to economic collapse and tyranny.
Therefore, Individuals acting through the Tea Party Movement, seek to restore the policies, which are proven to safeguard liberty and prosperity for all. We will organize, demonstrate and vote until this restoration has been achieved. We will stay focused on this goal and remain INDEPENDENT from any persons or political parties who seek to distract us from this end.
Sincerely
(here to be signed by individuals at all local TEA PARTY CHAPTERS that agree with the above.)
This was written by Andrew Ian Dodge and is still in draft form…
@ ALL on the 3rd party discussion
I will say that the problem is not the Republican Party or a Third Party, but rather the entire system that needs an immediate shift in the direction of citizen empowerment.
There’s momentum now and a lot of people have that “storming the castle” mentality where we’re going to do this, then that, then the other thing one after the other to fix the country.
The reality is that you’ve got enough momentum to likely make one or two things (at most) put in place.
Put that energy into retaking the Republican Party or even the more difficult task of establishing a powerful Third Party and that’s all you’ll likely to have accomplished meaning all the other things like a Fair or Flat Tax, Repealing the 16th Amendment, Abolishing the Fed, etc. will not likely come to fruition.
A perfect example is the monsoon election of ’08 where even one party rule in the US Government still will not likely get anything more done than a Health Care Bill which will likely we undone before it ever takes effect (thankfully).
My suggestion (as it always will be) is to support the establishment of an eCongress to relocate US Congress back to our Local Districts and State Capitals to disassemble the DC Machine once and for all.
They’ll still have to meet at least once a year in the Capital to stay in line with Article 1, Section 4, but such a monumental shift will greatly diminish the power of Lobbyists, Party Leaders, etc. where that one shot will open the flood gates making the rest of the list like Tax Reform, Immigration, etc. far easier to accomplish.
Best of all, this decentralization favors no party so it won’t be a matter of the Right vs. the Left, but Americans vs. DC dramatically increases the odds of accomplishing this.
That’s my two cents on this issue.
Barb
I am a delegate.
They dont want our change.
They Want our votes, but just until 1159p on the day of the election.
As Ronald Reagan said in his first inaugural address, We must negotiate from a position of strength.
If we leave our self no plan B, what is the source of our strength?
Tough knees so we can grovel for change for extended periods of time?
The MN State Republican Leadership will not even meet to discuss TEA Party Principals, Values and Issues… Does that not say it all?
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Well I agree that we do not need to stop ourselves dead in our tracks by starting another party.
We need to write articles to the editors and hold press conferences and create press releases… whatever way works… call radio shows… They have created this inmeshed co-dependency that feels like something the liberals would do… yuck!
We need to have our own identity and we need to be non partisan. Decentralized keeps the power in at the local level.
Anyway, there is an infrastructure of a party that still has openings on many of their leadership positions and lots of delegate spots. So if you want to take over a party take that one over if the GOP is not for you.
All I know is that there is only so far you can go until the GOP is just talking to themselves. REALLY! I don’t have to wait for you to learn it for yourself. I will be waiting for you when you come to the CONCLUSION that party politics is their game. We are creating an infrastructure that will last from generation to generation and it will be to hold each level of government accountable for every ABE LINCOLN they’ve dropped!
Organization and infrastructure are important since they’re the next natural step in growth from the initial protests of ’09.
The next important step will be to develop the ideas to make small government a reality.
It’s easy to demand a stop on spending, but it needs to be realized that these problems still need to be fixed otherwise the spending machine will return in force.
Obamacare is the result of not coming up with a solution for health care following the implosion of HillaryCare a decade and a half ago (removing the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE for health insurance will do the most for the least cost/effort in my opinion).
Education, Jobs Skills Training, Immigration, etc. all need to be solved from a small government perspective with NEW ideas since those currently on the national scene have failed to work up to this point.
A “Tea Party Think Tank” doesn’t need to be established, just a commitment to solving the problems out there using a nonpartisan approach where it is in the best interest of everyone to support these new solutions.
Don,
I have gone back and forth on this one. One thing I do not want to do is to work with the currently established heads of the parties. I would prefer to figure out a way to go around, and eventually, replace them. Since they have made a career of “Serving the people”, they are sure to resist that type of change, as you have already proven. I see an attempt at creating a third party turning out to be similar to the libertarian party, they have great ideas, yet, their inability to gain any major traction does nothing other than split votes. Maybe I am wrong on this one, maybe this movement has the right ideas, and is big enough to get the traction that the libertarian party can not. In order to do this though, they must take a majority of the Republicans, a good share of the democrats, and many independents with them. That is a tall order.
If the Tea party were to become a major party player, I foresee the same dark future for them as any political party, making promises to the people in order to stay in power. They will claim, just as the Republicans do now, that they need to stay in the game to maintain any sense of fiscal responsibility, while in the mean time, making the same campaign promises to keep them there. We have already seen what that has given us.
The problem is not with the Republican or Democratic party, it is with “we the people”. We need to understand the consequences of campaign promises. We need to be educated on how to keep and maintain a system of freedom in place. Right now, the only thing the people hear and know are the good sounding intentions of new programs promised by the candidates. Insert a new party, and I believe you just insert another eventual player with their own set of promises and problems.
What I envision is a government watchdog group that is maintained and run by the people that is completely separate from the government. A branch to replace the medias role to expose the problems inherent in the system. A group that educates the people and makes them understand that many campaign promises do little more than shift money from individuals to organizations. I would also love to see this group seek out and encourage quality individuals to run for office so we have a steady flow of available candidates.
Maybe I am way off base here, maybe the Tea parties motivation is to become another power player in the game. If that is the case, I stand down. But in my opinion, they could do more good by becoming an advocate of free people by educating and encouraging them to get involved.
Caleb
Taking advice from a tv and radio entertainer is a little scary. Our Founding Fathers met in rooms to govern. Are we going to throw away their ideals? And the Constitution says “assemble,” not “e-assemble.” So you’re against the principles of our Founding Fathers AND the Constitution. So very un-tea partyish!
@ Dave
You’re correct in that this is an “un-tea party” idea going by what you’re defining it as because there are Democrats running for office who’ve included this in their platform, and some of them are running on a DEEP BLUE platform.
There’s one in Texas currently airing radio ads in Houston we recorded for him. Of course, he’s a Blue Dog which probably doesn’t meet your purity test.
It’s also worth noting that this idea has received praise from both the right AND left in the blogosphere as a way of containing the other party when they hold the majority.
On Glenn Beck, this is not his idea.
It’s been around since the 80′s and was actually proposed to US Congress as a highly recommended national security upgrade on September 14th, 2001 by the “New America Foundation” which is generally regarded as a centrist think tank.
It was turned down by a Republican Majority Congress on the “reverse Field of Dreams” argument that said Congressmen couldn’t be trusted to show up for votes if they weren’t herded together like kindergartners based on early experiments with proxy voting.
On the Founders, they preferred face to face contact over sending and receiving letters which was the only other option of their day.
It is also worth mentioning that they spent have their term tending to their farms and practices in their districts, so they actually had this in affect in a low tech way.
Video conferencing technology has advanced to the point where visually you ARE face to face (see some of the new Cisco webinar products for examples). It’s also worth noting that corporations and the military have been doing this very thing for decades now for their own complex strategies and negotiations.
Therefore, I’d say the Founders would approve this idea especially when the other things they loathed more like bills with more pages than could be read or a central bank (minus Alexander Hamilton) now prevail across the land.
This is also surprising Constitutional through Article 1, Section 4 which states US Congress must assemble at least ONCE per year along with Article 1, Section 5, Clause 2 that allows Congress to set their own rules and definitions and can therefore redefine “present to vote” as also meaning “present via telecommuting.”
Article 1, Section 5, Clause 4 states Congress has the ability to relocate where it’s proceedings are held. DC is not the original Capital, in fact, it’s actually the 3rd since the Constitution was passed with Philadelphia and New York hosting Congress until construction of DC was finalized.
Any more issues with this idea?
In my previous post, I was referring to the Independence Party. There is still time left 2/28/10 is when their caucus closes. So anyone who is not a GOP’er and wants to participate or lead in a party should go there and as for the disgruntled Democrats you MUST speak out and hold groups, we will send people to you!
But the “tea party” will most likely fade as it gets picked by the vultures… but the little organizations that have spun up from it are not going to fade.
Thousands of organizations have been formed across the USA and most of them want nothing to do with the tea party or any party, they jumped shipped a long time ago.
These groups are for the most part networked. I know this because when a group sends out an email I get it from them and several other groups fwd to me from across the country…
Those who are not in the loop are skeptical about the power and longevity of this movement. This movement has career politicians, lawyers, doctors, regular folks and don’t forget about the young ones. Those who are in loop know better. How to get in the loop is to organize regular meetings it will evolve from there.
Here is an article that really puts it in a nutshell: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11198
Even though I like that article I don’t understand why we need parties in the first place. I don’t like any of them. They don’t ever do their job and they never want people involved in the process.
Does anyone know which election season had the most registered parties in our history? Locally and nationally?
Eric Odom at taxdayteaparty.com explains why we should try to make some cash through this movement: “entrepreneurs have created a means through which they can pay some bills through their activism.”
http://taxdayteaparty.com/2010/02/tea-party-profiteers/
If you are actually working, yes!
If you are spamming the legitimate organizers website and redirecting people to you when you are not actually organizing but have affiliate links and just trying to flow people thru your revenue generating turnstile, and it is all about you… then I would say you need to CHECK yourself!
Also, MANY organizers have been battling this since day one. Some assaults come from the parties themselves and some just from folks that need to make a living locally and nationally.
If the local organizers are getting to the point where they are making money so be it. They have worked hard for it!
But the national groups keep selling out and that is why some are being rejected.
Two movements going here! One of them is using the other! Can you guess who is using who? Hmmmmm
Thur, Feb. 4th, 2010,10 a.m. South entrance to State office bldg, across Rice Street from Sears. WE THE PEOPLE will be assembling to excersize our 1st amendment rights, encourage state reps to support our constitutional options as provided in the 10th amendment to the constitution! Join us. Stand Up For Liberty! See, MN. Sovereignty Project.
Here’s a good follow up article on the recent Campaign Financing Ruling by the Supreme Court by Judge Napolitano.
It does a good job of clearing up some of the claims about what the ruling does.
For example, foreign governments and foreign corporations are NOT allowed to take advantage of this new ruling contrary to statements going around including the State of the Union address which is likely what triggered the “Not True” remark from Alito:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=570
Republicans met in Hawaii last week and met with Governor Linda Lingle (Republican gov of Hawaii). Does anything think a single Republican had the guts to ask her why she doesn’t show Obama’s real birth certificate? The conspiracy of silence in the GOP is frightening. If Obama had a birth certificate in Hawaii, why wouldn’t Gov Lingle just show it?
Oh, I’m sure they got their staffers combing the Hawaiian hospitals like they were lawyers hunting for dirt on Palin in Alaska (lol)
So sad to hear Michele Bachmann is turning her back on Tea Party Nation. Is she driving a wedge for the ultimate advancement of Republicans over Tea Party?
Tea Party Nation was not a grass roots event! Michele absolutely did the right thing! No grass roots tea party patriot could afford $500 ticket then travel and hotel. Sorry! NONE of us who have been grass roots from the start, busting our buts paying out of our own pocket thought that TPN was right to represent themselves as anything other than a FUND RAISER and for what? Who knows. TPN came along in August, 2009… hopefully they realize that the movement is bottom up and not top down. People do not want to be solicited to. They are organizing in their neighborhoods! Put your self on a shelf and lets TEA PARTY!
I think it was the wise move on her part.
Much the of the true grass roots groups out there are rejecting the convention seeing it as an attempt at hijacking the Liberty Movement with $550 tickets and $100,000 speaking fees.
The best comment I heard about those speaking at the TPP Convention was that (paraphrase): “The speakers aren’t the same people you’d find marching in the streets”
In general, I think the effectiveness of conventions are overblown since it’s IDEAS that fix problems (and those can be debated and promoted in blogs like this, not limited to multi million dollar convention centers only).
Interesting. I was not aware of the $500+ tickets. “Tea Party” should not become a brand name.
Kind of amusing how politics are coming into the “Tea Party” (aka protest) movement. Just shows its members are no different than, say, the members of Congress. Human nature. But, hey the founding fathers had differences too and engaged in scurllious poltiics.
America Rising: Open letter to Democratic Politicians,To The Makers of this video; Thank-you, very well done! As you may guess. I did not vote for Hussein Obomba. I did not vote for Insane McCain either. Betty McCollum knows that health care is not a “right,” That is why she proposed an amendment to the Constitution. She really cares about you and the future of our freedom. Can’t you see the Fascist programming in the colors and the art they use. Look into the light, over the hill; everything will be better tomorrow because we have, “HOPE.” Gridlock in the House and Senate is far better than growing a tyrannical government bigger. The establishment welfare state has been moving to destroy families and individuality for decades. Just look up Charlotte Iserbyt. Our world will be safer with the naked body scanners everywhere. Just give up your liberty for security. Just don’t carry cash. We’ll never have to worry about crazy underwear bombers. I don’t think many people trusted Harry Pelosi to begin with. He speaks the truth about Hussein Obomba. That man is not really black and doesn’t speak in Ebonics. Since the Marxist Chris Matthews wants to make everything about race, the puppet black face of the New World Order is only about 7% African. We have the first Arab president. Let’s abolish Christmas, and make HaunaRammaKwanzmas a national holiday. Astro-Turf Nazi Nancy, you are part of the crime syndicate too. The AMA sold out; the MNA sold out. The Mack Daddy announces a spending freeze that will not take effect until 2011 after this, “jobs” bill, (”Just Over Broke”), that is really a second stimulus bill because, “The best way to rob a bank is to own one.” So for now we will continue to fund the illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and dump our depleted uranium on those brown people. Cindy Sheehan has woke up to the false left. Where is the anti-war left? Pat Tillman knows. Another victim of “friendly fire.” Have you ever heard of the golden triangle? T.E.A.=Taxed Enough Already! For those of you who think the “Tea-baggers,” are on the fringe right. Why did Jim Trafficant get railroaded? For speaking out against the illegal 16th Amendment and the Internal Robbery Squad? Or was it the Jewish lobby Rahm? No fly-No buy! Where do your loyalties lie? Remember the U.S.S Liberty! The Freshman Democrat Alan Grayson may want socialized medicine, at least he’s not afraid to speak out against the fed. I’m writing this now before Cass Sunstein, Google, the ignorant people of CA, and Hitlary ban freedom of speech.
Not one word from your faux populist mouth about the Supreme C0urt ruling that will allow artificial persons; corporations – to inject unlimited money into our elections. Even foreign dictatorships will be allowed to try and buy our elections.
The founding fathers had no intention of giving corporations the right of personhood! That was their original intent and the lawless gang of five on the Supreme Court do not give a damn. There was also no debate when the 14th Amendment was adopted that Congress intended for corporations to have the same or superiour rights of citizens!
The classic definition of fascism is the “merger of government and the corporations into a unitary executive”. In fascist Italy, the state created the Council of the Corporations which took power and governed without the consent of the people. We are no closer to the adoption of this type of fascisim than ever before.
You Tea Bagers people need to wake up about the REAL threats to our liberty!
What are you talking about?
@Gene
The ruling was limited to corporations and unions because that’s what was being reviewed. Would’ve preferred that it removed all blocks on personal donations as well.
This ruling doesn’t change much since it means corporations go from funneling millions into campaigns through bundling to now out in the open.
To think that the ’08 half a BILLION dollar election was paid for by $50 donations is pretty naive, not to mention it a case of the kettle calling the pot black, especially when it comes to taking money from unfriendly regimes.
Remember Hillary’s Hong Kong dual US citizen guy busted for peddling influence through bundling of donations from large corporations filtered through designated individual donors?
In addition to that Gore and the Clinton’s regularly made trips to places like Saudi Arabia giving speeches about how bad America is in return for big time campaign donations. The Clinton’s aren’t worth over $100 million for nothing.
Then there was BO’s buddy Rezco from Chicago who he had the shady land deal with. It’s important to note that one month before the deal, Rezco received $3.5 million from the Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire with ties to the Saddam Regime who had been previously convicted in one of the largest money laundering scams in European history.
His passport was revoked in the US as a result and two unnamed US Senators lobbied to get it reinstated but failed in their efforts.
But like many other tails of corruption, little follow up investigation was done.
Article: “Obama Should Come Clean On Ayers, Rezko And the Iraqi Billionaire”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122005063234084813.html
Then you throw in that half of BO’s donor list still is withheld and you’re likely to see a lot of foreign donors.
Oh yeah and it removes the unfair Mainstream Media advantage that always favors one side of the political spectrum over the other.
The MSM served as the de facto campaign machine when the 30 day cut off on specific ads prior to the election kicked in, which is what spurred the Supreme Court ruling in response to a complaint about being blocked from airing “Hillary, The Movie”
McCain was no gem, but I can remember hearing radio ads talking about how he voted against a military spending bill while omitting the fact that he did so because it included a withdrawal timetable.
So, he ended up getting snagged by his own funding rule that limited the donations he could bring in that further sabotaged his presidential bid which has a nice irony to it.
@Gene
Who are you talking to? I don’t know what a Tea Bagger is. I, for one, share your concern over the anthropomorphizing of corporations into citizens. I have not looked too closely at the ruling or its context. I need to. Insticnctively, I suspect it does not truly relate to Freedom of Speech. But I don’t know enough to say one way or the other at the moment. At any rate, if you’re genuinely interested in promoting discussion on the subject, you may want to consider adjusting your tone.
@Walter
I think one of the advantages will be that it becomes much easier for local groups to pool their money together and air their own ads compared to a lot of bureaucracy that goes with 527-C’s
Before, the 30 day limit would keep normal people from speaking out through purchasing/donating all the while a large corporation like GE was able to sidestep the 30 day funding rule by simply having the editorial content presented in a way that there would be no difference between it and a paid ad.
So that part is a PLUS.
A big NEGATIVE will be how this ruling impacts a grass roots ballot initiative to block state employee unions from spending their dues on political lobbying which is a major part of why California (and other states) continue to sink.
http://unplugthepoliticalmachine.ning.com/
Gene,
It is best to keep ones mouth shut when one knows not what they speak. There are and always were laws preventing foreign companies, people,countries,etc from making donations. Your president was 100 % wrong and is now trying to say that he meant subsidiaries? The to disgrace the Supreme Court ? This is a true dictator and you lambs dont see it. What a joke money has ALWAYS funneled in through means unknown your progressive(socialists) are good making that happen through groups like ACORN.
As for calling us tea baggers you are a very low class individual – typical progressive, using foul remarks instead of facts. Grow up read the law, read the Constitution, learn what you are talking about and then maybe, just maybe your talk will be worth listenting to. Until then go back in your hole .
January 25, 2010 (LPAC)–On Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010, Lyndon LaRouche will address the nation and the world in a 1 PM Eastern, 10 AM Pacific webcast. LaRouche has just returned from Europe, where he promoted his Four Powers proposal for a United States alliance with Russia, China and India, to establish a new international credit system, and launch a global physical economic recovery.
LaRouche will address the Obama Administration’s efforts to impose murderous austerity upon the United States through a thoroughly unconstitutional national commission to impose cuts on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and veterans benefits. This drive, if successful, would guarantee the destruction of the United States as we know it. Under Depression conditions, any efforts to impose austerity is a bottomless spiral to Hell.
The American people have spoken clearly, most recently in Massachusetts, that they want nothing of President Obama or anyone who would impose murderous policies. The question most clearly on the table, that LaRouche will address on Saturday is this: Will the American people rally behind a real alternative policy, to defeat the power of Wall Street and London, and start the nation and the world back on the track of a long-term economic recovery, based on the most advanced scientific and technological principles, implemented through collaboration among sovereign nation states?
If you want to assure the survival of your children and grandchildren, if you want to be an active participant in history, you will not want to miss LaRouche’s Jan. 30 webcast at 1 PM Eastern, 10 AM Pacific. Accessible at http://www.larouchepac.com
Not a fan of any international economic effort or otherwise.
Keep in mind these are the same folks that think the solution to “climate change”
is getting as much of your tax money as possible through any means.
Not something reasonable like natural gas which costs and pollutes far less than gasoline or ethanol.
Some have being saying for the last year that the whole point of tanking the US Economy was to force everyone to jump on board with a new international system, which would never have been necessary if we simply cut spending to pull ourselves out of much of this mess.
It might be interesting to research LaRouche’s donors/connections.
I agree. Obama’s murderous intent will result in the destruction of the United States and a bottomless spiral to Hell. In the face of such murderous policies, what action would not be justifiable to save our children and grandchildren? You know what we have to do.
What?
Are Alexander Hamilton and Pat “plants” on this site?
This is an idiotic idea, the latest in a long line of too big to fail solutions.
Your solution to a “murderous intent” is to ally with Russia and China who have quite the record for murderous intents in their own countries. Just ask any Russian critic or reporter.
The whole concern about the current policies is that they’re designed to collapse the US Economy, eroding sovereignty and forcing us into exactly this kind of an international deal where those issuing credit have even less accountability.
There are so much easier things to do like a concerted effort to get business and economics education going in public schools and for the general population to reverse the direction we’re headed that preserve US Sovereignty and don’t increase the long list of “leaders” who refuse to listen to those who pay their salaries.
Have you looked up this guy’s bio? If half of it’s true, BO got’s a serious rival for socialist pursuits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
Sure, he doesn’t like the current Health care bill which might be why you’ve gravitated to him, but he’s a major advocate of a single payer system.
His bio covers years hanging out with Soviets, Maoists, Anarchists, and stints as a “cult leader”
Check your facts or at least take the time and admit you’re here on this site under false pretenses.
This guy would terrify and infuriate the real “Alexander Hamilton” so you should stop using that moniker when referencing this LaRouche guy.
“Michael” is an avatar for Chip Berlet, who has been slandering patriots for 20 years, and recently wrote a book about “right wing populism”.
I’m as much a plant for whoever this “Chip” guy is as you are for “BO”
But again, this LaRouche guy is a certifiable nut, look him up. He’s another long line of pseudo intellectuals that come up with these large and bizarre plans to impose laws and regulations in the name of stopping big corporations, etc. that our filled with potential for fraud and abuse.
Want to stop big government and big corporations? Start teaching business and economics in public schools for a start. Knowledge is power.
This way when someone is offered a $10,000 loan at NO money down with low APR, they’ll realize they’re being told: “Try this, the first hits free”
ANYONE who says the solution to one big bureaucratic bully like the Federal Government is an even larger unaccountable International Bureaucracy is no friend of liberty.
All problems can be solved with simple determination and steps taken in each of our own lives.
This if for DUG and anyone else interested. Dug wrote a reply regarding Mike Cummings, candidate for Oberstars 8th district seat. Said he seemed conservative but needed to research further. permalinkHeres the website for Mike Cummings. (Candidate for 8th district) http://www.cumminsforcongress.com/
This is his opening: Pro-Life · Pro-Land Rights · Pro-2nd Amendment · Pro-Drilling. Haven’t read more. Would appreciate posts from anyone interested in exploring more. I’m in metro suburbs, but my father was from the Iron Range, Cook MN Vermillion lake area. I have alot of family up there. While their values would always appear to have been more conservative they have always voted Democrat. Theres that old Hoover, “Republicans dont’ care for the little guy, Roosevelt and his heirs are champions of the working man” mentality. I have heard some frustration with city environmental liberals telling them what to do with their land. Beating Oberstar would be a longshot but idea interests me. Might be interested in working on a campaign, if from afar. Is anyone here from the 8th District?
First time here. Any information on how to get involved in local movement would be appreciated. May attend local Rebublican caucuses next week. Was invoved in south metro at a senate district level for a small amount of time awhile ago.
Yes, there are people on “here” from the 8th Cong. dist., even those that are attempting to give “Overspender” a run for his (union) money. I met that snake a few weeks ago at a county commissioner meeting… he is such a lying, twisting puke. You should have heard him attempt to weasel out of the county admin’s question of why other counties in the 8th district got more money that our county did…
During the Vietnam War I was an anti-war protester. There were many reasons to be against that war. Whether it was civilian micro-managing of it, that there wasn’t a desire to win the war, that it was a civil war we had no buisness being involved in, or that our “allies” the South Vietnamese government was so corrupt it made the city of Chicago look honest in comparison are just some the reasons to be against that fiasco.
Now I am a supporter of the Tea Parties. My active participation in both protests was and is as American and patriotic as is possible! This country was created by men who had the courage to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor in a war against the what at the time was the world’s super power, Great Britian. Any and all protests against our government are patriotic. The ones I disagree with are the ones whose right to protest I will gladly support. I support their right to protest because freedom is not limited to popular ideas or only ones that I like. The more unpopular an idea is or the more I dislike it the more I will defend their right to protest. Those who have the courage to get out and protest for what they believe in are the real Americans!
Where are the people of color in this video? Is this (as I suspect) a racist website?
I suspect your are projecting your racism! Sorry, you don’t define any of us. We don’t define you! So what are you all up in arms about? There are plenty of black conservatives in the tea party movement.
I suspect you are just looking for a fight for “suspecting” we are racist.
The KKK founder Tom Metzger is working with Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party but is worst is that they originated from the Nazi’s and they are communist and socialists which better fits the Dummycrooks. Here is Metzger speaking at a NBPP meeting:
Are you a truth seeker or trouble maker?
Well, I think historically there were no blacks at the original tea party. I don’t think any women either, but I might be wrong.
Also, what is this “tea partier” stuff? Face it, you’re just simple protestors. You’re nothing special; no different than war protestors. No different than the protestors at the Twin Cities Republican convention. You can make it sound noble by calling yourself a partiot or lover of freedom, but at the end of the day you’re nothing more than common protestors. I have no problem with protestors, but I do think it’s silly that grown ups are trying make themselves seem better and more patriotic than other protestors (who you probably ridiculed when they were out with their chants and signs against wars) with titles like tea partiers.
Michael: the subject may change, but the protestor is still the protestor. And remember, war protestors ar also part of “We the People.” Their voice counts too.
@Dave
Yes, you’re referring to the primarily libertarian part of the Liberty Movement when you talk about previous anti-war groups rolling joining this effort.
Let me provide what I’m defining as a “protester” vs. a “patriot”
A protester will spend all day long shouting “NO!” to a bad idea, but at the end of the day when the choice comes down to “NO! IDEA” and a BAD IDEA, the bad idea will almost always win out because there’s at least some kind of plan.
A patriot starts with “NO!” and follows up with a SOLUTION, in the case of health care removing the ban on interstate commerce to lower costs and improve care through competition.
It’s the reason why $50 per month gets you $25,000 in collision coverage, because there’s choice instead of the current state insurance monopolies which have caused much of the health insurance problems.
@bringhomethepoliticians.com
That’s an interesting distinction. I agree with the underlying sentiment, that some kind of plan is considered preferable to none. However, I do not think it true that some plan actually is always better than none. I, for one, love legislative gridlock. When the Congress or a state legislature can’t get anything done, in my mind, that’s a good thing. This idea that something must be done in response to every imperfection, or that every problem must be somehow solved, is how we get Big Government. The best recent example I can think of is this Detroit bomber situation. Instead of looking at the existing system and ackn0wledging it did not work as intended, in order to look like “something is being done,” they change the system, add to it, make life for law-abiding citizens more difficult, etc. If the existing system was not being executed properly, which it unquestionably wasn’t, then why will crafting a new one which will be executed by the same flawed people and institutions be better? I think all levels of government could benefit from adopting the axiom “S#!+ happens” and accepting not every problem requires some huge new bureaucracy to solve.
No, bringhomethepoliticians, I am not referring to war protestors joing this PROTEST movement. Some may have, but that’s not the point. Many of the war protestors I met had a solution: bring the troops home. I was not particulary in agreement to that, but it was an option they were pushing, so you are wrong in saying they did not propose an alternative. It’s better than the inane shout of “vote them all out!” What then? You get rid of the politicians, but you’re still stuck with the constituency, which, you might be surprised to know, has a variety of opinions and demands. The next batch of politicians (unless you prefer some tea party dictator) will have to address their needs, and some of them may have needs contrary to your’s. I know you think that’s unfair, but too bad. Welcome to America.
As far as solutions, it appears you protestors want the federal government to interfere in states rights and the judicial system. Kind of ironic.
@Dave
“Bring Home The Troops” wasn’t/isn’t a realistic solution because you still have bad people out there who will become that more emboldened no matter how many of them are simply working for the CIA according to Alex Jones, etc.
Not to mention the potential for killing fields that make the current civilian deaths a walk in the park.
The over all theme being nature abhors a vacuum and things will only get worse that way.
Conversely, I don’t believe our current strategy is ideal either because just like our response to any attack is to fight back harder, it’s the same story for the other side as well upping the ante.
We actually agree on “Voting them all out” as an equally short sighted answer and BRING HOME THE POLITICIANS is meant as a solution to both problems with one simple and powerful solution.
Terrorists and Dictators are the byproducts of other very weak or very centralized governments.
By relocating (the equivalent in other countries to) US Reps to our our Districts, US Sens to our State Capitals and State Reps & Sens to our City Halls/Courthouses to securely telecommute for no less than 75% of their terms while WE SURROUND THEM it implements an upgrade to our system that truly balances local and Federal power.
Art 1, Sec 4 and Art 1, Sec 5, Clause 2 & 4 allow for this.
Likewise it will go a long way to fixing the corruption, incompetence, etc. with our current government.
And because telling other countries what to do has run thin at this point, it’s best we lead by example to accomplish spreading this concept abroad.
Best of all, it greatly diminishes party power with focus put on the individual congress person as opposed to party allegiance with party bosses now hundreds to thousands of miles away compared to the opposite situation now.
So, you can see how this will benefit those across the political spectrum.
When a liberal cannot refute what a conservative says or defeat a conservative in an argument the liberal resorts to calling the conservative and conservativism racist. Whenever that happens what the liberal has done is show that they have lost the argument by having to resort to calling conservatives names. Thank you Jon for showing that you don’t have a valid argument by having to call conservatives racists.
@ Dave
I’d say there are many differences between the Liberty Movement (tea, 912, etc.) and previous protesters.
Anti-war protesters NEVER stopped anything from Iraq, the Surge, Afghanistan, time tables, or anything else of substance.
“It ain’t over til it’s over”, but it looks like this health care bill has been stopped and that’s in large part to months of grassroots opposition.
Also, the Liberty Movement is both highly organized and made up of autonomous groups compared to previous protest movements who often had to be paid to take to the streets.
Here you go. Happy?
@ Walter
I actually see the “Sh@t Happens” attitude as being pro big government ultimately.
ObamaCare is just HillaryCare retooled (of course the current one is much more of an insurance bailout than anything else).
Back in ’92-’93, Americans said: “We don’t want your nationalized healthcare, Sh@t happens, deal with it” and that worked for a generation while the health system got more and more expensive because competition was removed more and more in health insurance.
And here we are with a new generation that’s more inclined to say “Gimme!” than “Sh@t Happens” which has fueled the current push. Had the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE for health insurance been removed back in ’94 you’d have high quality care at a low cost like with car insurance.
But I will say that I believe the simplest solution is almost always the best solution, and I think they’re is a better alternative to gridlock which is to BRING HOME THE POLITICIANS (hence the moniker) which will relocate US Reps to our Local Districts, US Senators to our State Capitals, and State Reps & Sens to our City Halls/Courthouses to securely telecommute while WE SURROUND THEM (Art 1, Sec 4 and Art 1, Sec 5, Clause 2 & 4 allow for this).
Here’s a clip where they talked about this concept of an “eCongress”:
@bringhomethepoliticians.com
Your point is well taken. Mine presumes nothing good comes out of Congress and therefore nothing is preferable to anything. But it is certainly true correct action needs to be taken.
Still, I feel there is a cultural tendency which has developed in our nation toward taking action just to say action was taken. You see it all the time in the business world. The desire to appear responsive often supersedes sober deliberation prior to action. Look at health care, in the wake of the Brown victory, you have Democrats talking about how they have to pass “something.” It doesn’t matter what it is. They just have to pass “something,” because they’ve been working on it for so long and it will look bad to have accomplished nothing. Never mind if what passes helps or hurts. That’s the tendency I would combat with a “s#!+ happens” attitude. Doing “something” is not as important as doing the right thing. If the right thing can’t happen, nothing is preferable.
@Walter
Agreed that they are just trying to pass “something” in the name of their party instead of the people.
I just think there is a potential opportunity to tell them:
“Your party leaders have betrayed you and you’re obviously on your own. Why not emerge as a hero of the citizens you were elected represent by removing the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE to lower costs and improve care without spending BILLION$ in tax dollars.
This is the kind of simple solution Americans are demanding, not more failed big government/big corporate/anti-taxpayer solutions”
This way they get their “something” and we get much of the health insurance problem fixed.
Does anyone know who is running against Oberstar? We NEED a good candidate to unseat this parasite.
James Oberstar (D) 241,800 67.7%
Michael Cummins (R) 114,864 32.2%
Jeff,
I met Michael and briefly spoke to him about a month ago. He is the only one ever to get more than 100k votes against Oberstar (since 1974). He has a good relationship with the media and gets on many shows, both radio and TV. Former Union member. I got the feeling he was a conservative. Much more than Oberstar anyhow but more research needs to be done on this. I agree. Oberstar needs to pack his bags. After last night in Mass, we could do it!!!
DUG
Another REPUBLICAN???
I think Cummins will have a better shot at appealing to the overall electorate by promoting a nonpartisan solution like eCongress that doesn’t benefit the right anymore than the left.
http://bringhomethepoliticians.com
There is another person running against him, as a Republican, I believe. Navy vet and a self-proclaimed protestor. He was on local radio in Duluth las tweek. Didn’t say much new or enlightening other than he is a protestor. I think there is a Green Party candidate too; I think they’re ticked that Oberstar supports the Polymet program.
This is an open letter to all Tea Party Conservatives.
On February 2nd the political process will begin. All poltical parties will hold their precinct caucuses to determine their platforms and choose their candidates. You have a choice of which political party’s precinct caucus you will attend. It is my opinion that if those of us in the Tea Party want to have a voice we should attend the Republican Party precinct caucuses. Many of you will want to go to a third party precinct caucus because of your very legitimate frustration with the GOP. I am tempted to do that myself but won’t for one very simple reason. Third parties hurt the party that are left in protest. Look at the example of the election contest between Sen. Norm Coleman, Al Franken and Dean Barkley. If Coleman had received even 10% of the votes that went to Barkley Al Franken would not be our US Senator. Without Franken in the Senate the Democrats would not have had 60 Senators to invoke cloture and move Pres. Obama’s un-Constitutional health care reform bill closer to being passed.
The Tea Party movement is strong enough to take over the GOP. That is what, I beleive, we should do. None of the collection of third parties out there have the power to win elections. All they can do is act as spoilers. If we take over the GOP we can make it the conservative party it once was and should be. Do we want to be a permanent minority party or do we want to be the majority party we should be? The decision is yours to make and which party’s precinct caucus you go to will determine what conservativism’s future will be. Are we to be the majority or the minority party? GOP or third party. The choice is yours.
It is so confusing…
I am still fuming at the people who are horrified with the current Administration but voted them in by actually voting for him or by just not voting at all.
On the other hand… there is so much corruption, I am not sure if they are not the same party!
Life is what THEY Matrix? or Life is what WE make it?
I have considered joining the Democrat party just to help them with their PRO LIFE message and besides, they did it to the Republican party, the communists and socialists have infiltrated all parties, etc. [been going on for about 250 years].
Anyway still trying to understand why WE LET THEM sell us out like they do!
I don’t think figuring it all out is that complicated.
We all got complacent with our comfortable “single mouse click” lifestyles that enabled the wolves among us to take advantage of that.
It’s important to elect better Congress members in 2010, of course, but in order to reverse the tide of big government, citizens outside of government need to be the trailblazers of new solutions to deal with everything from health care to terrorism.
I couldn’t agree with you more Bryan. The parties are just infrastructure. What is done with them depends on the people in them. We can’t say the GOP won’t work when we haven’t tried to make it work. When ALL OF US can say we’ve caucused, we’ve gotten involved, and we’ve tried our best to get traction and failed, then we can talk third parties. But most people don’t even know about caucus.
It’s the protest movement
Visit Minnesota Tea Party Patriots
Four Articles of Impeachment.
Under the U.S. Constitutional system, the purpose of impeachment is the protection of the nation, by removing from high office a Federal official who is causing grave injury to the nation, its people, and its Constitution. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding; its purpose is not to punish a wrongdoer, but to prevent him or her from doing further, irreparable harm to the country. The question of prosecution, or imprisonment, comes later—if at all.
The U.S. Constitution sets a high standard for bringing a bill of impeachment against a high public official. The grounds are restricted to “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” The clear intent, as a review of the discussions by the Founders at the Constitutional convention indicates, was to target crimes against the Constitutional order. The bills of impeachment against President Richard Nixon put it well, when they declared, in each count, that “In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.”
President Obama’s crimes dwarf those of Richard Nixon.
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/13091
Was not Mr. Setoro involved in bribery when he signed a bill giving money directly to UAW members… in trade for the financial support they had given willingly or unwillingly through union dues taken from every paycheck they got? Or is that “money laundering”… We all know the UAW was saved only due to the unbridled financial backing they give to the DNC. If the auto makers would have been non-union and voted center and a bit to the right, they would have been forced to die on the vine. I could find “pawlenty” of support in our area for impeachment.
The only problem I can see is… Biden is an even bigger idiot… and dangerous.
Recently a friend sent me an excellent short video called: America rising an open letter to Democrats. I hope everyone can see it and share it with others. It appears the Obamabots and U tube have been taking it down.
Tea Party Express III is coming to Minnesota April 8, 2010. Minneapolis, Duluth, Ironwood.
http://www.teapartyexpress.org/tour-schedule-3/
The Next March should be on Wall street!
Tea Party Express is run by former Bush Republians. Are we a Republican organization now?
Going after Wall Street is like targeting the drug dealers in your neighborhood.
It’s going after the Federal Reserve (the drug cartel) that counts.
They’re the ones with all the true money and power.
Please support bringhomethepoliticians.com, Excellent site with great ideas. END THE FED! S. 604 & H.R. 1207
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Watch video to see Larouche candidate Rachel Brown address 150 Massachusetts Tea Party members about her Democratic Primary campaign against Bailout Barney Frank. In addition, we intervened in Harry Reid’s Nevada fundraiser with banner showing Hitler mustaches on Reid and Obama for their Nazi Health care bill. In San Francisco, candidate Summer Shields held a press conference in front of Nancy Pelosi’s office to announce his Democratic Primary campaign against the Wicked Witch of the West.
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I, like many Americans, have some real concerns with these bills that are making their way through Congress and through the Senate. These bills are being passed with little or no regard to what the people actually want. Since I have always lived my life with the premise that “We The People” can make a difference, I have developed a website, called http://www.voteoutpoliticians.com, where folks can go to learn more about these bills, know how their politicians have voted, and to find out how to contact their Congressmen and Senators.
This website does not and will not contain advertisements of any kind or sell any products or services. It is strictly an informative site. There is even a video on the homepage made by Ray Stevens which pretty much sums up Obamacare.
There is just about 10 months left before the next election and my goal is to make this website available to all voters. Anything you can do to help me achieve this goal would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
But please be careful, folks, because that website talks about voting out every incumbent, but there are a still a lot of people in Congress who are good, Christian, conservative folks, and who’ve been fighting for us all along. I mean, it’d be short-sighted to toss out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. Then _everyone_ there would be rookies. In fact, if we could manage to only throw out the rotten apples, that’d leave our existing, decent folks in place as the senior members in both chambers, to take over as chairs on the numerous committees, rewrite House and Senate rules & policies that have been twisted by the Dems. Our folks would be able to leverage the experience they’ve garnered, fighting uphill during this session.
Buried in the hundreds of pages of the bill Reid is ramming through the Senate, in Sec. 3403 dealing with the IMAC (or IMAB), which is a genocide panel equivalent to Hitler’s 1939 “T4″ policy of genocide, Harry Reid was criminal enough to write that no future Senate or House of Representatives would ever be allowed to question the Nazi policy of IMAC, or, exactly as he says there in his own words: “It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” Like Hitler’s “Thousand-Year Reich,” Reid would throw the Constitution overboard to make the IMAC death-panel the unalterable law of the United States forever!
In a recent Facebook posting, according to Politicsdaily.com, Palin cites the pending Senate health bill’s Independent Medicare Advisory Board. This, she writes, “is also known as rationing.” Palin also cited a letter from Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf, in which Elmendorf said it was “unclear [how Medicare's spending could be reduced by 2%] whether such a reduction in the growth rate could be achieved, and if so, whether it would be accomplished through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care, or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care.” This is precisely what I meant by “death panel,” she said.
Hey, bub, my PRIVATE healthcare plan is rationing my healthcare. I guess they’re Nazi’s too? Private rationing better than government rationing?
Why not just remove the ban on INTERSTATE COMMERCE for health insurance to lower costs, improve care, and improve choice?
$50 per month gets you $25,000 in collision coverage and people need tune ups just as regularly as people.
By increasing the competition, prices go down and specialty niche insurance companies pop up to handle high risk patients just like in other industries.
Dave writes that his “PRIVATE healthcare plan is rationing [his] healthcare” right now, and angrily wonders if “they’re Nazi’s too?” He goes on to pose a pointed question, and asks: is “[p]rivate rationing better than government rationing?”
No, Dave, your healthcare providers are not Nazis…you are free to choose other providers. If we had a more consumer-driven, free-market-based healthcare delivery system, you’d almost certainly have a vast variety of providers to choose from. Indeed if we had such a system, the cost of nearly every good and service provided by the healthcare industry would be cheaper and better quality.
Yes Dave, I’m sure your private health-care plan is rationing your healthcare. Healthcare is like everything else; it is a limited resource. And like all limited resources it must be rationed. The real-world “ideal” is that you ration your own health care resources; i.e. you decide where to allocate your healthcare dollars. There are many existing free-market proposals that empower you — the healthcare consumer — to make those choices. Through tax-free Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and myriad other consumer-driven alternatives, the quality of healthcare service will improve and costs will come down.
Yes, private rationing of your healthcare is far better than government-rationing of your healthcare. As mentioned above, because healthcare is a limited resource, it must be rationed by someone. I’d prefer to ration my own healthcare using my own values to decide what is, and what is not, worth the cost of a particular good or service.
The immediate concern is about an individual consumer’s ability to afford any good or service whatsoever from the healthcare industry. The majority of consumers can afford routine healthcare services: e.g. stitches for a cut, a yearly checkup, a colonoscopy, etc. Wealthy and middle-class consumers can purchase catastrophic healthcare coverage to cover financially ruinous health problems: accidents, cancer, etc.
Low-income consumers can have their healthcare costs subsidized by the government. This alternative would be much cheaper than the monstrosity that is the current healthcare legislation being shoved down our throats.
People with chronic illnesses — like myself — can purchase insurance through high-risk insurance pools, much like auto insurance today. The government can act as “referee”, ensuring a fair and level playing field. But the government does NOT have control over what goods and services the consumer ultimately chooses.
As efficiencies in healthcare delivery system are enacted, costs will come down, enabling more people to afford quality health care.
Dave — if you are looking for perfection, you’re looking on the wrong planet, and you’re expecting it from the wrong species.
Dave just doesn’t understand that private business rationing our health care is capitalism but government rationing our health care is fascism. Unless we want fascism, corporations should be allowed to do whatever they want to hold down their costs including rationing health care. It’s just that simple. Unless you want fascism.
Health Care Bill Will Destroy American Libertyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6M4uMmkbs
Yes, private rationing is better than public rationing. Phrased another way, your having the liberty to make your own choices is better than someone else making them for you.
You are wrong, by the way, about your private insurance provider rationing care. Your insurance company does not decide what care you can and cannot have. What they cover or do not cover has no bearing on whether the care is available to you, only whether it will be paid for through your policy. Any care you need/want is always available, provided you can pay for it. Conversely, under a public rationing scheme, even if you have the money, access to the care is controlled by the government. Based on your comments here, I presume you might prefer the idea of rationing based on some contrived public formula versus rationing based on price. If so, we disagree. That’s fine. But it’s beneficial to accurately understand what you disagree with. Claiming insurance companies ration care shows you do not.
Fellow Patriot!
I am new to this setup so I may not understand all the do and don’ts as yet. However, I am looking for help to step up to the plate take our states back. Please stop by website:
http://www.mnsovereignty.org/calltoaction.html
Pass it on to all you can.
Feel free to contact me at lmoe47@gmail.com
Merry Christmas to all!!
Anyone willing to step up and help???
Thank-you Leon to your continued service to our country and state! I linked up. God Bless, & Happy New Year.
Boys…. I grow tired and weary, as we watch the country slide farther and farther down into the darkness of socialism, servitude and possibly the throws of Islamic fundamentalism. Our Leader fails to confront the reality of his kin folk involved in terrorist and pirate activities. In his address to the nation a few days ago involving the “skivy-bomber” on the Delta flight, he never once said these people are Muslims or Islamic fundamentalists… he used the word extremists… over and over. In his failure to “admit” what we are up against, it is clear he is sympathetic to their cause… after all, his family has a high concentration of Muslims, to deny this you would be fooling yourself.
Richard –
Do not despair for too long. The silver lining in Obama’s election and his sycophantic Congress is that they have unmasked themselves for the Socialists that they are. The Main Stream Media have unmasked themselves also — it is clear to everyone that the MSM is nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Democrats. The MSM is no longer a believable source of unbiased news.
The so-called ‘silent majority’ has awakened. Congress will be purged in 2010; the executive branch will be purged in 2012.
Keep the faith. This is going to be a long war for the soul of this country.
Leon –
Step up in what way? Help in what way?
Thanks,
Wayne
Just click on Leons’ name and read his site and help get the word out about mn sovereignty. MSNBC and most of The MSM would like us to think that the 10′th Amendment doesn’t matter. The Tea Party has been co-opted by the main line Republicans, who will only bring us more war, more socialism and more tyranny under the guise of fake conservatism. The Constitution and The 10th Amendment does matter, and if we the people give it teeth and take back our local and state governments, this is where the real power lies. This is where the real fight for Liberty is. Look up Common Purpose, and what is going on in England. We have a set of rules and that is the constitution. The feds want to tell us only what we can do. Let us, We the People, tell them what they can’t do. I believe Leon is the real deal. I urge all Tea Party Patriots to read his site and take action, no matter how small. It does make a difference. The feds would have us think George Washington and defenders of liberty and the Constitution are radicals and extremists. Peace to All. Happy new Year.
ObamaCare
MP3 Audio
You better not cough,
You better not sneeze,
You better not get a fatal disease,
Obama’s keeping healthcare costs down,
He’s making a list,
And checking with NICE,
If keeping you breathing is worth the price,
Obama’s keeping healthcare costs down,
Obamacare is thrifty,
‘Cuz they don’t give a damn,
If you are under fifty and you need a mammogram,
So you better be young,
With plenty of cash,
Or help shave off his Hitler mustache,
Obama’s keeping healthcare costs down,
Obama’s health advisers,
Are genocidal jerks,
Just like the Nazi doctors that were hanged at Nuremberg,
Obama’s healthcare,
It mustn’t be passed,
So light a fire on your congressman’s ass.
Obama’s keeping healthcare costs down.
Here is another great example of how our liberal politicians take advantage of our hard earned money. It is an outrage. Someone should do something about this woman!
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/michelle_bachman_welfare_queen_20091221/
Obviously a traitor. Wait a sec. Wasn’t she against federal spending?? A hypocritical traitor. Mr. Che Tryanny should at least agree.
So Rep. Michelle Bachman isn’t perfect. If we had to wait for politicians who were as pure as the driven snow there wouldn’t be a United States of America. Our country was founded on the ideal that all men are created equal. An ideal that is enshrined in our Declaration of Independence. It was written by a man who owned slaves. Our Declaration of Indendence was signed by a number of men who owned slaves. Should we have rejected the Declaration of Independence because Thomas Jefferson and many of the men who signed it believed in an ideal that they did not live up to? Or do we accept that people are flawed but support them anyway because they are fighting for what we believe in? I think King George III would have preferred we had rejected our Declaration of Independence because Jefferson and the men who signed it wern’t perfect. Pres. Obama would love it if we “threw Rep. Bachman under the bus” because she isn’t perfect.
I agree with Bryan. I will add that the piece on Michele Bachmann is glaringly one-sided and obviously intended to disparage her. I will wait to hear from Michele before coming to any conclusion. The government routinely pays farmers to not farm their land, keeping prices of farm-products artificially high to ensure farmers a living wage. I don’t know the details of Michele Bachmann’s farm subsidy, and the article is written to make a point, not to inform, so reading the article tells us only that she receives some kind of agricultural subsidy. One thing is certain — the political left hates Michele Bachmann as much as they hate Sarah Palin, both are strong, competent, and intelligent women. From the perspective of the political-left, they’re only flaw is that they are not socialists.
Therein lies the problem. We are willing to accept “imperfection” as long as it is an imperfection that bellies our beliefs. Rep Bachmann is willing to point a finger with one hand while taking with the other and we are supposed to go along because she “believes” what we believe. Unfortunately it isn’t true. She doesn’t believe in getting government out of our lives or reeling in the out of control spending. She believes in stopping the spending for the OTHER guys. We still get ours. Don’t get me wrong guys. I want this. I want to believe it can happen. I have the Gadsen Flag tattoo’d on me so one of the last things people see of me will be words “Don’t Tread On Me.” But we don’t need imperfection. We don’t need another politician who just saying what we want to hear.
You have a Representative as constitutionally conservative as Michele Bachman, and you still find ‘fault’? Wow.
There’s an ongoing discussion on sayanythingblog.com ( Rob Port, North Dakota) where someone who actually farms has explained how/why the ag program is the way it is, and why farmers participate. (you may have to scroll a bit) May I suggest looking at it?
BTW, Michele Bachmann’s husband’s father (now deceased) is the farmer who has received ag payments.
Michele may not be ‘perfect’, but she’s certainly RINO!
Barb
‘She’s certainly NO RINO!”
Had to fix that.
Barb
Dave –
With all due respect, the Tea Party movement may not be the right place for you. Members of this movement are not looking for perfection; ideological or otherwise. Rather, we — speaking for myself, my friends, and my family — are engaged in a fight to restore in practice the democratic republic that our Constitution laid out in theory. We first must stop the tyrannical ambition of this current Congress and President. Michele Bachmann is precisely the kind of person we need to achieve our goal. I do not know the details of the agricultural subsidies the article you linked us to claims she is receiving. I will withhold judgment until I know the details, but I am willing to bet my yearly salary that what she is doing is legal. I suspect that what she is doing is no different than claiming tax deductions, something I will bet even you do; I know I do. No one is asking you to like Michele Bachmann. Personally, I do like her, and I will defend her because she is fighting alongside me for freedom and liberty, and she is fighting against the socialism that is sweeping this country into ruin. Given that the policies of this current Congress and President will cripple this nation for generations to come, you will forgive me for not placing a high value on whether or not Michele Bachmann receives a few thousand legally obtained dollars through a possibly misguided government program. Our current Congress and President are sowing the seeds for a future civil war in which this nation will decide again whether it will live half free and half slave. We are a divided nation, and as history has proven, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
Merry Christmas
Wayne
In re Waynes Response to Dave
You folks see anger and discourse and see promise and success of the TEA Party Movement?
It is 11 months from the election and you folks are fully and freely debating the issues!
May I applaud you all for engaging in the type of debate that the Founding Fathers did in establishing our country.
An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry. Thomas Jefferson
It is a hallmark of a vibrant and engaged citizenry that we have debates such as this.
And I am not in favor of the inference of casting someone out because they never disagree. The men in our congress have become a mutual admiration society.
Let us never succumb to this vanity. Let us keep in our midst those that share our general sentiments and political views but dissent with us from time to time. Let us keep dissent amongst us to keep s honest with ourselves.
The democrats made all sorts of vile threats to quell dissent and allow them to pass this abomination of a healthcare bill. Let us not send our legitimate dissenters away from us, but keep them near to keep us honest and to force us to fully debate the merits and demerits of each and every issue.
As for myslef, let me weigh in on the Bachman Ag Subsidy issue.
1st, I grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin.
Next, I have espoused dumping all the incumbents, regardless of party.
Yes, the Ag subsidies are screwed up. For example, milk receives a higher subsidy based on how far it was produced from Eau Claire Wisconsin. That is because when it was proposed in the early 20th century, refrigeration was not perfected and milk spoiled when it was produced far from the population centers of New York and Los Angeles, etc.
You folks have raised a perplexing issue. My initial response is that it was legal, so she deserves no blacklisting for it. On the other hand, if we reach a consensus on it being immoral, even though it is legal should she be black listed for being a hypocrit? If a politician speaks against abortion, but he r daughter has an abortion, should it have negative political fall out? If Sarah Palin’s daughter had had an abortion, would it have impacted negatively on Sarah Palin? Should it impact her negatively?
I am not going to give my answer now and perhaps never, because I believe the TEA Party benefits more from the debate in this case, than it does from the quick resolution…
Mean while, back to the debate on voting out all incumbents regardless of political party:
In college I belonged to a fraternity. And sometimes other fraternities on campus went rogue… Have an appropriate number of warnings, the local Alumni or the National Chapter would shut down the fraternity by pulling its charter.
They would leave the fraternity closed for 3 or 4 years. Why? To purge all the elements that created the problems. Fraternities have figured out that the older members would corrupt the new members, and the same attitudes and problems would instilled in the new members.
A full purge, prevents the older members from corrupting the new members.
I suggest to you that is the merit of voting out all of the incumbents regardless of party.
I know, I know, you dont want to split the party and elect the democrats again.
But do you really think the power elite of the Republican party are going to give up their power and all the trappings that come with it with out a fight?
It has been more than 3 months since 1 to 2 million of us marched on Washington DC on 9/12. And it has been 2 weeks since the poll came out that shows the TEA PArty folks are more popular than the Democrats or Republicans.
If they were predisposed to change their ways and allow the TEA Party Movement power within the RNC, they have had ample time to do it.
Instead their leaders have ridiculed and scorned the non Republican Candidates that TEA Party Candidates that have run for office.
The Republicans will just toy with us and trick us in being marginalilzed.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
So we are going to take another politician just because he/she talks a big game? Either you are for or against government subsidies and the taxes all of us pay to cover them. Sorry I don’t see a grey in this situation. She says she is against these types of things, but takes them. There are plenty of blogs and discussions out there explaining why people take all kinds of government handouts. Many of those are as legitimate as the farmer argument. The money went to Michele’s family. Her father in law managed the farm, didn’t own it. Again no grey here. That is the way it has to be. As for the Thomas Jefferson argument above yes, a great man, but imperfect. The example of slavery you cite is good, but also important to note the compromise on slavery was made to get the nation created. A much better reason to be imperfect than farm subsidies. Also keep in mind that compromise on slavery, that bit of imperfection cost this country nearly 620,000 lives to correct.
Dave,
I agree with you and would also like to see ag subsidies end. I think that can be accomplished eventually.
However – in this case it seems like you’d be happy to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don’t live in Michele’s district, do you? (I live in Collin Peterson’s.)
Bottom line is, Michele is a Congressional Representative who is as strongly conservative as you are going to find, regardless of a perceived fault in an extended family member legally accepting a government agriculture subsidy.
Barb
When are we going to stop reacting to whatever it is the liberal/Progressives decide to do? When are we going to stop holding protests that do nothing? When are we going to start the fight to repeal laws and eliminate bureaucracies? When are we going to start fighting the liberal/Progressives with a conservative revolution? Previously on this page I have proposed starting a new political party, the Frugal Conservative Party (FCP). A political party with principles and most importantly penalties for not abiding by those principles. Actions speak louder than words. Where is the action to back up our words?
What would make it any different from the Constitution or Libertarian Party.
Third parties are not the solution. IDEAS are! Decentralization will transform our current Centralized Constitutional Republic into a LOCALIZED Constitutional Republic.
Art 1, Sec 4 & Art 1, Sec 5, Clause 2 & 4 allow for this.
Already have FIFTY candidates from across the political spectrum (mostly center-right) who’ve signed on.
Michael, did you read the Frugal Conservative Party’s statement of principles? A political party where the candidates it endorses are not members of the party but independent contractors. A political party that bans lawyers and professional politicians from membership in it. A political party that states who it will accept campaign contributions from, only registered voters. A political party that can expell members who do not abide by the party’s principles. Those IDEAS, those principles make the FCP different from all other political parties!
I posted a reply about simply joining an established party and bringing your ideas with you and working with the Precinct strategy to ensure you get the nod, but it doesn’t look like it posted so here’s the short version (ughh wordpress).
Well Bryan, to answer your question… when we have many “house members” hanging lifeless in trees like Christmas decorations… sorry, that’s all they will understand… Money and power are a tough thing to give up… ask the British… so I let you go with that.
My Father said Nothing good ever happens after 100AM ,I have been in trouble couple times after 100Am…HHAAHA…Then You have Gov.socialism is great for ants-We Are Not ANTS.
Dems should be ashamed of them self’s for being the the host to the parasites called “Socialist”Oaths Mean Nothing to these fools.VOTE on a bill they didnt EVEN READ!!! IMPEACHMENT NOWWWW…TAR >>>>FEATHER >>>NOW<<
transparency is here they are self serving and Your future will pay for it.
Financial Hell is here talking out of the side of there mouth one day the other the next,ear marking themselves will go unchecked costing billions.
Deficit Should have been priority 13 trillion later it will be 14T by end of 2010!
guess they could sell off more gold though…. ?
they did tell you the rest believe me,I have been doing the math for a Month!
Glenn Beck is a fraud, but we have the Judge here speaking up for liberty and not trying to mislead and deceive the American people. Rupert Murdochs’ Fix News allows the judge to speak some truth. Be sure to check out the documentary, “Outfoxed.” (Tyranny)
Although it goes against our nature, why doesn’t each and every one of us call in sick the day the health care bill is signed? (In a twisted way I enjoy the irony of it on so many levels)
I am either going to take down my American Flag or fly it upside down.. that day as well.
Well, I fly the Gadsden every day…”don’t tread on me”… so that is covered… But I would have no problem staying home whenever-if ever the “bill” is signed. We plan to have a tea party the next time our county (Crow Wing) gets together to attempt to justify the nasty tax hikes on our tax statements. That’s if we still “own” our homes by then…
Are we yet registered as a party here in Minnesota? Are we seeking candidates for a slate in the coming election?
Instead of focusing on forming a new party, focus on ideas like DECENTRALIZATION – relocating US Congress to our State Capitals
There are already two candidates in MN supporting this concept:
HARLEY SWORM – Governor Candidate
RICHARD BURTON – US House District 8
“SWARM” (misspelled his name)
All of us should be giving the “process” a thought or two… we need candidates for offices from school board to city and county gov’t to state and federal offices. Even “water quality boards”and “lake associations”. We got distracted over the last 40-odd years and let the “commies” take over, I will grant you that many had “good intentions”… but those can also lead straight to hell. We need to forget about Jon and Kate plus eight, survivor, and the latest Tiger Woods bimbo eruption. And START PAYING ATTENTION! Don’t leave it to just a few of us to pull the wagon for the rest that say “let somebody else do it”.
Wildman
Candidate for MN 8th congressional district
Who stands t0 benefit BIG from the health care bill passage? Could it be the drug companies? We are on the “eve” of its passage. If they are truly the big winners, then educate yourself. Just ran across this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
Check it out. If you think this bill is evil, then check the links of the major drug companies today to Nazi Germany. It is no coincidence. It is a real eye opener.
While you’re at it look up Baer Pharmaceuticals link to the 1918 Spanish Flu.
1918 is the same year Baer came out with Aspirin which is known to lower Vitamin D levels.
The Spanish/Swine Flu killed so many because it prays on those with low vitamin D levels.
So someone got sick from this flu back then which was bad but not horrible, and then they were given Aspirin as a remedy which then lowered their D levels and turned their flu into a fatal one.
Also look into IBM’s roll in providing the primitive computer technology for processing prisoners of the Holocaust.
Wow.
Here’s your answer:
(includes a MN 2010 candidate)
In a recent poll taken by Investor’s Business Daily (IBD), it was found that two-thirds of doctors oppose the proposed health care reform plan. Not only does this poll challenge statements from the White House, but also from the American Medical Association (AMA), NPR, and the LA Times. In a recent article from the Times, it says that the AMA is the “association representing the nation’s physicians…lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama’s sweeping plan.” Actually, the AMA only represents 18% of doctors in the US. I would say that that is hardly enough of a percentage to call the AMA a representation of the nation’s physicians.
So, the Investors Business Daily trumps everyone else? Actually, I think the the poll published in the Thief River Falls Gazette trumps the IBD.
Face it, both sides pick and choose the polls that fit their views.
It’s actually the Thief River Falls Times. LOL
Health care is about 18% of the economy. American’s are in at least two wars that we know of. The federal government wants to expand health care and give more power and secrecy to the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve that is not really federal and has no reserve. Article I, Section 10, of the U.S. Constitution states, “No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts.” Oh yes, can anyone tell me where in the constitution health care is a right? $700 billion for TARP, at least $24 trillion for a “stimulus,” and we get cash for clunkers, and an extension for a home buyer credit and more unemployment that is really closer to 15% if not higher. This whole idea that health care is going to be free and the nanny state is going to take care of you is a lie. Its’ an illusion, just like the money system. Does anybody remember what happened to Andrew Jackson? Does anybody care? “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers’ conquered.” (Thomas Jefferson) Welcome to Obaaaamaville! The New American Reservation. Please research the history of the creation of the Federal Reserve. A great place to start is, The Creature from Jekyll Island. This is now about power and control. The $ Is the world’s reserve currency. But for how much longer? Our debt/GDP ratio is about 40%. Can anyone say, “Asset bubble?” Well how about the Amero? Or maybe Special Drawing Rights. Better yet, let’s just get an RFID implant! That way you’ll never have to carry cash, how convenient. Except maybe if you have forgotten to pay a parking ticket when you go to buy a pizza over the phone and you get a call from the parking Gestapo instead,or you cant’ even purchase a pizza because your chip said you can’t get extra meat and cheese because your cholesterol is too high. Then you find out you have been penalized because you have already used up your carbon credits for the month. The Fed and Puppet Obamba, “The long legged mack daddy.” is conning the American people into going along with a giant Ponzi scheme for one more ride, get ready people another crisis is coming, weather its’ real or created, they are betting that the American people will go along with this scheme so they can completely enslave us and our children. Troops are being deployed within the U.S. At least 40,000. If the clergy response team tells you to get on the train are you going to give up your rights? Sound monetary policy is more than a political issue, this is an ideological struggle for LIBERTY. Just look at Zimbabwe and Argentina, this is what happens when central banks can create money out of thin air. Look up, America: Freedom to Fascism. Sherry Jackson, a True Patriot is in prison right now being denied proper medical care. Tyranny or Liberty you decide! As Mr skull and bones would say, “Either your with us or your with the terrorists.” Is this the kind of country you want your children and grandchildren to live in? Does anybody realize that the insurance and the drug industry wrote the massive disease care takeover bill? The Fed or The Senate does not care if you go bankrupt from medical bills. This is why they want to force everyone in to their health care system so they can tax and control you and get you dependent on their pharmaceuticals. Have you ever heard of Codex Alimentarius? So if the American people allow the Fed to print more Monoply play money, we the taxpayers are the lender of last resort. The fed will only bring in more war, more tyranny under the IMF and The World Bank. Restore The Republic! END THE FED! (Tyranny)
Tyranny, Section 10 refers to STATES, not the Federal Government. Tyrannics like to mislead, so I guess your name fits. If healthcare is not a right (doctors think so, but how one pays for it is another matter), then where in the Constitution does it state we should provide healthcare to veterans? Please point it out. Don’t blather about how they deserve it, just tell me where in the Constitution allows it. I think they do deserve it and I know where it’s allowed. I think you don’t.
A REAL patriot
Dave, The 10th Amendment is quite clear. If a power is not, “delegated to the U.S. by the Constitution,” it doesn’t exist. I don’t care what Doctors think, they are about the third leading cause of death in the U.S. But since you bring it up, I am a veteran of war and I never even mentioned veterans. The constitution does NOT state Health care is a right, nor does it allow for central banks to print money out of thin air. Oh, but maybe its’ OK if its’ the Federal Government. I am not trying to mislead anyone, you are free to form your own opinion. You made my point exactly, please enlighten everyone and point out the clause that you are talking about, since you are REAL patriot. (Tyranny)
Yes please enlighten everyone and point out the clause.
Article 1, Section 1 allows Congress to legislate healthcare for veterans. Do you disagree?
Dear Dave, Article 1. Section 1. Simply States, “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and a House.” Nowhere does this mention health care or veterans, but I think I see what you are saying. Please take a look at healthcaretyranny.com where I have posted a clip from Judge Napolitano and Ron Pauls’ speech on the floor, “16 points of real reform. ” Happy New Year!
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Happy New Year to all of my fellow Tea Party Patriots.
2010 is an election year. Together, let’s identify and vet truly conservative individuals — go wildman! — and support them with donations and our vote.
One obvious point: we are all individuals who have come together in a common cause to restore some semblance of restraint on a federal government that has lost all sense of any constitutional boundaries. Regardless of our common cause, there will be many points of contention among us; it could be no other way, as we are each of our own mind.
Democracy is loud and boisterous. Whatever our differences, let us join together to defeat the socialists — whether they be Democrats or RINOs. Let’s also not demand perfection from those we elect to represent us. Demanding perfection is utter folly.
I salute you all.
One question… where’s Toni?
Wake up sheeple! See “Twenty minutes with the President.” Turn off the tel(lie)vision. Make a choice, take the red pill or the blue pill. Do you really care how many women Tiger slept with? “War is peace.” Thats’ why Barrack gets a prize. Read state department memorandum 200. Fluoride is good for you, just like mercury! Lincon was shot at the theater named, “Kennedy.” Kennedy was shot in a car killed, “Lincon.’” Ghandi and MLK were there to set us free, they got a bullet. Global warming is now climate change. Barrack Hussein Saddam Obamba Bin Laden is Benjamin Button. Brangelina, the U.N. Goodwill Ambassador is a changling tombraider. The base is Al-cia-duh. Flight 77; What really happened? If there is nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything? Dick says, “Of course the order still stands.” George wants to finish a story about a pet goat. Read the 9/11 time-line. It was an, “an interesting day.” Thermite was found in the dust. Think for yourself. Saloman ,WTC -7 collapses at freefall speed. Thank-you British Brainwashing Corporation. Problem-Reaction-Solution. 9/11/ + 3/11+ 7/7= Patriot Act 1 & 2 and the never ending, “War on terror.” Wake up sheeple, war is terror! JFK signs executive order # 11110 and ends up dead. Liberty must take back main street, oak street and elm street. Wall street is exactly that, a wall, just like the Wall of China and the Berlin Wall. It’s just Another Brick In The Wall-part 2. It will crumble and fall! 1 in 90 kids with Autism today. Look around; where are all the adults with Autism? Look up Project Paperclip. Rockefeller wants a one world government and he, “is proud of it.” Are you a transhumanist? Or rather posthuman? Time to read Brave New World, we are at the dawn of eviloution. Who is watching the watchers? Big Brother? “Slavery is freedom.” Novus ordo Seclorum. “Ignorance is strength.” CO is NOT Co2. EPA declares what plants need to survive a dangerous pollutant! Swine/11 =Pandemic Level 6. Read the MIAC report. Whats’ next, a pre-crimes unit? If you don’t like the SPLC or the NWO and you like the X’th Amendment, you are a racist terrorist. Bohemian Grove is where all those rich Republicans run around naked rubbing up against the Redwood trees. Even America’s Father figure, Walter Kronkite of Columbia Brainwashing System went to see Moloch. “But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch.” Don’t be afraid of the rabbit hole. The truth will set you free; 9/11 was an inside job!! Stand Up For Liberty! (Tyranny)
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Founding father, scientist, diplomat, humorist, philanthropist, entrepreneur, rebellious teen – Benjamin Franklin is one of the most remarkable and influential Americans of any generation. Learn more about the many sides of Ben Franklin and discover his impact on your world in this electrifying new exhibit.
The Minnesota Junto met for six hours with Benjamin Franklin and his world today at the Minnesota Historical Society. Every patriot should stand next to the statue of Ben Franklin who appears before the diorama of the British Privy council in January, 1774, one month after the Boston Tea Party of December 16, 1773. The Privy Council was, and is, the real seat of the British Empire, and the British Lord of the Council regaled Franklin for one hour with calumniations about the rebellious American Colonies.
Franklin stood there silently, and took it all in as the final breaking point of the new American Nation from the British Empire. The British Parliament had “bailed out” the British East India Company for 1.5 million dollars, and stipulated that the BIC merchants would have a monopoly to import and sell tea to America. Rich American merchants such as John Hancock would be cut out of the revenue stream designed to bolster the expanding British Empire.
Many other exhibits show the “yankee ingenuity” which prevailed during the decades preceding the American Revolution. An original fire fighting apparatus from 1835 represents the actual type of “fire truck” that Franklin created in 1759 with 19 other businessmen to serve their community. This became the basis for a mutual insurance company that insured residents against fire, but also served the entire community at risk.
Interactive exhibits highlight techniques to foil counterfeiting of paper money, electricity, postal connections, and much more. An electrical spark from Franklin’s arsenal lit the effigy of the British Lord Wedgewood who castigated Franklin as citizens of Philadelphia reacted to the Privy Council warnings against Independence.
Nearby to this exhibit is the “Greatest Generation” exhibit of WWII veterans. You can board a mock up of a C-47 and fly into Normandy, whose story is told by one of the three survivors of a sortie by one plane. Three nearest the exit door survived, while enemy flak blew up the plane just after they jumped.
Millions of these veterans enrolled in college under the new GI bill promoted by FDR, to get education they could never have previously afforded. Many became engineers and electricians and built Post War America, including the Eisenhower Interstate Roadway system.
Minnesota ordnance plants represent the great Arsenal of Democracy which won WWII. A variety of goods is portrayed coming from the Minnesota company, 3M.
I have heard a lot of people saying the Democrats don’t have the 60 votes to pass Health Care in the Senate. I say they are wrong. I say the Democrats don’t need 60 Senate Votes, they only need, at most, 51.
The 60 votes are whats needed to “End Debate” aka kill any Republic Filibuster.
The 60 votes they got to begin debate, proves they can get 60 votes to end debate and kill any Republican Filibuster.
I know, I know… I have heard that 3-9 blue dog Democrats fear they can’t get elected if they vote for Healthcare.
And another, 3-4 far left Democrats say they won’t vote for it if it doesn’t contain the most socialist aspects they are demanding.
But I submit the Democrat Strategy is to have all 60 democrats to vote close debate and kill any filibuster, and then allow the Democrats with the biggest reelection votes the face saving option of not voting for the final bill… They only need 51 to pass the bill.
And then their is the slippery slope that politicians love to get on when the Citizenry opposes a new bill. Remember the seat belt law. In my state, the vast majority of the people were against it. So the legislature passed it saying there would be no fine, you could not be stopped solely because of seat belt issues and it would not count against your insurance. Soon there was a small administrative fine, then a larger fine, then it counted against your insurance and finally they could use it as the sole excuse to pull you over.
Knowing that, do you really think the Democrats won’t pass some form of socialized health care? They just want to get us on the slippery slope so they can slowly tighten the noose around our necks.
Did I mention that Obamacare is not about health care, Health care is about power?
If there is any chance of defeating healthcare, we must not let the Democrats spin the appearance of the issues such that the few democrats that do not vote for its final passage actually opposed it.
Rather, We must make the truth know. All the Democrats would have voted for passage if there votes were necessary, but the Democrat Leadership will allow those with the biggest reelection concerns to appear to vote against it. (More Smoke and mirrors, and further deception and disservice inflicted on the American Public)
WE MUST WELD THE DEMOCRATS TO THE REALITY THAT A VOTE FOR ENDING DEBATE AKA KILLING THE FILLIBUSTER IS THE VOTE THAT WILL COST THEM THE NEXT ELECTION.
By the way, I do not oppose healthcare because I am conservative, I oppose it because I am not willing to trade liberty for security. If health care passes, I pose this one question: “How can you protest and dissent a government that can ration away your health care”
Do you have any doubt that any Politician in power will look to how much in campaign contribution you paid and whether or not you belong to their political party when deciding. Am I the only one that can see the next logical permutation of the loss of our liberties? The leaders of the next lawful political dissent will have worry about a whole new level of political persecution, if Health care becomes law. No Health care for you cloaked in bureaucratic double talk! Live free or Die!
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
No Holiday for Obowma! Join the Larouche Metro Tea Party meeting at McDonald’s on University Avenue, just two blocks west of State Capitol, on Friday, November 27, at 10:30 AM. Come on over for a cup of coffee. All points of view welcome. Free literature available for continuing the peaceful revolution to take back our country.
My patriotic blog is viewable at http://www.minnesota912.com/blog/?cat=4.
Also there is a new Ben Franklin exhibit opening at Minnesota Historical Society this weekend.
Don, et al, great posts.
I have many of the same concerns and compliants.
1. But to govern we need to elect people, and like it or not those people are usually associated with political parties. The parties serve a purpose, they play a vital role in governing. It is the world we live in.
2. Having many diverse groups is necessary for democracy to thrive but to succeed these diverse groups need to come together, we need the collective energy of all the groups to succeed. Else we can be easily divided.
3.Don, Toni and others have said the message needs to be common and easily understood by most people. I contend we have a message the original constitution, divinely inspired, has that message – you know, created equal, endowed by our creator . . .
4. The founders of this nation understood the true nature of humankind and by divine providence created a system of government to protect us from ourselves. But even then they realized the nature of men could errode their work. They understood the to preserve liberity would require constant vigilence, work and sacrafice.
5. We have simply lost our way, let down our guard and grew apathetic.
There will always be threats to our God given liberties. Bad politicians will always be with us we just need to stay vigilent, stay inlvolved and conitnue speak for the truth.
Thanks and God Bless
The beat on the street is that..
Obviously Its time to create a new party. Whether the constitutional party or the tea party. Right now 47% of Americans like me will stand up and change the system from with in just like they did. We have a lot of work to do but we all need to get on e one page and push out the whole crooked bunch, One dissertation to the next through use of the paid off press, and as soon as you look the other way you get slammed with a bill removing your rights and reducing the constitution to a second page to the united world order constitution. We used to be the nation to look up to for solutions. Now we are known as con men…
this is not what i am riasing my children to accept… and nither am I.
Wildman,
Are you running against Oberstar?? Email me if you are!
Barb kimbarb@gvtel.com
EVERYONE it is time to go to http://www.thebravest.com and sign the petition addressing Obama and Holder telling them no trial in New York.
They have 100,000 signatures so far and need more.
It takes about 1 minute!
Another group as its members to evaluate how they are doing and how they could be more effective. This was my impromptu response:
Hello
Any group out there that is truly grassroots is a worthwhile venture. Keep fighting the good fight.
A few things I have noted that are not necessarily based just on observations of your group:
1) We need to persuade people to convert. Less preaching to the choir. Folks need to get out of their comfort zone and start interacting with persons who dont share our outlook on a one on one basis. Everyone one should try to bring one new person to events or telephone conferences. We each know at least one or two person who will come to an event or participate in a teleconference just by us asking.
2) At events, you need to humanize yourself. Democrats and Republicans alike demonize the opposition. Obama has called us angry right wing nut terrorists. Persons who think less critically than we do, accept that as true. Confrontation and yelling just reinforces that perception and makes it easier for them not to listen to what you have to say. You must tear down the the demonized perception you have been labeled.
I often start out by saying, we Americans are more alike than we are different. Dont play into the strategy of both major parties of dividing and conquering us on relatively trivial side issues while they steal us blind of cash, liberties and power. Go to lunch once a week at any fast food restaurant. Identify someone you would not normally associate with and feel out their political beliefs. Be Pleasant. If you sense they are open to discussion, gently challenge their beliefs after you point out all the ways you are more alike than different. Get out of your comfort zone.
3) Dont let the two major political parties define and frame the election. Both parties propose candidates and we end up choosing the lesser of two evils… you still have chosen evil. Dont let them pit us americans against each other. I have seen many folks at public events who want confrontation. The 2 major parites want us to vent our frustrations. They dont want meaningful dialogue. HAve meaningful calm dialogues with persons who are not astroturf. If you let them frame, define and set the tone of the next election, you will lose.
4) If you want change you must life the change – Gandhi
I see the Democrats and liberals composed primarily of persons who have a sense of hopelessness of achieving the American dream on their own and persons who are just lazy or scheming and want something for nothing. And then a much smaller number of actual persons with power and persons who have a vested interest in and who profit from their ties to the democrat party or an elected democrat.
The only segment I see as being able and possibly willing to change their loyalties are those with a sense of hopelessness. I dont know why we conservatives tend to be far less prone to developing a sense of hopelessness, but we need to figure out how to put opitmism and the fire back in the belly of these folks. I imagine they are surrounded by groups of like minded nay sayers who tell them they have no chance of acheiving their dreams so why even try. Will words of encourage from conservatives motivate them. Do we have to start living the change and invest time and money in giving them hope so they stop voting on the basis of personal hopelessness? We often talk of a hand up and not a hand out but how often do most of us actually practice what we preach. Do we have to have a National Conservative “Week of Hope” where we actually go into the hood and give motivational speeches in schools, seminars on the constitution and the vision of the founding fathers, family oriented pestreet picnics where more affluenjt persons actually have dialogue with disadvantaged persons and share our dreams, visions and philosophies. Some how we must get to the people who feel hopeless and reignite the passion for life. Think they should suck it up, on their own.. maybe your right…. but look what that got you in the last election…Hopeless people voted for Obama because they felt their best chance at the American dreams was to rely on the democrats rather than themselves.
4) Can the petty bickering power and personalities. If our country ceases to exist what value is their to being the leader of a poltical organization that has ceased to exist. And if this is a true grassroots movement, ideas and power should flow from the bottom up not the top down.
5) Avoid issues that divide and polarize. That is what the persons currently in power want. They divide and conquer us on gay marriage and abortion, etc while they steal us blind, take our liberties, ignore the constitution and destroy our country. What difference does it make if you win your position on for instance abortion or gay marriage if the country ceases to exist and/or no longer has the power to enforece them. :Let us save our country first and then resume the debate once we get our country away from the brink of collapse and/or tyranny and/or chaos.
6) KISS Keep the message simple. We dont have the money for advertising and repetition so our message must be simple to stick in the minds of voters.
7) No Damn Incumbents regqardless of political party. Yeah, I know some of you want to make some exceptions. But remember kiss, No incumbents regardless of poltical party is much simpler than No Incumbents except x y and z. And no incumbents is non-partisan. As soon as you start saying you want to keep some of your favorite incumbents to stay other will say they want some of theirs to stay. And if we want the Persons in the Democrat party who put Country over party loyalty to do likewise, we must lead by example… NO INCUMBENTS REGARDLESS OF PARTY if implemented solves 3/4′s the problem in my mind. Incumbents have become arrogant, unaccountable and out of touch with us citizens.
8) Need to get into the schools and teach the principals and vision of the founding fathers.
9) Need to attack local spending and property taxes.
10) Need Judicial Reform and Accountability. Judges are ignoring the constitution and bill of rights. And justice has become for sale to the highest bidder.
11) Need to form a tighter network with other grassroots groups that share similar political outlook..Now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country and put aside their petty bickering and jockying for ego.
Those were my off the cuff thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot.
TEA Party and Lawful Independent Political Dissent
Yep, and that is why we need MANY organizations! This was meant to be a movement of many affiliate and organized groups. Whether or not they were tax exempt, incorporated or just associations.
If we have one group per geographical area, will will be easily destroyed. A group of two or three can do a lot! Groups always grow! There is room for many organizations. Anyone who tries to become a territory is NO BETTER than the DO NOTHING RNC or GOP! They do not know how to get intouch with the people they need the most!
Don is right! Diversity and hope!
We are not going to win over the hopeless with Limited Govt, Fiscal Resp and Free Markets! That is why they don’t see the value in our principals! Why? Cause they don’t see themselves! It is like a black child looking for a black princess in the doll isle at Walmart or Target. My grand-daughter said to me “grandma, there are no black princesses”! It broke my heart! YES, they need to see their image in our party our you can forget it! (not just cause my sweet grandaughter… because I have been working with diverse groups and the white conservatives BARELY, if at all, reach out!
Well – this blog gets longer and longer by the minute, and for very good reason. Law abiding, honest, decent people need to get involved and wake up because the THEFT of our rights, possessions, and dignity is moving into hyper-mode with all the “stimulus” (corruption) money that was printed last fall. It is lurking literally in your back yard if you are paying attention. I received an outrageous letter this week that confirms without a shadow of doubt that THEFT is ultimately behind much of what is going on. The people that are in power (and in bed with them) want to usurp all the power and money for themselves and leave you and I destitute. It is no mystery why many small businesses have shut down in America. The only truly mysterious part is why so many people have not paid attention and don’t seem to care. Well – that really isn’t a mystery either if you know what is going on. It is time to choose sides. I know which side people in this movement are on – we are on the winning side. The thieves are going to find out in 2010 what is waiting for them – time for them to go on an infinite vacation.
Glenn Beck mentions BRING HOME THE POLITICIANS – 11.11.09
NO ZIPCODE REQUIRED Here’s how to get your protest emails to government officials. Go to the following Web site:
http://www.darkstarincorporated.net/online/contacts.php
Scroll down below the protest letter (do NOT use the protest letter; please
write your own.
Don’t Take The Swine Flu Jab! So what if government officials and vaccine promoters have financial ties to the vaccine industry. Conflict of interest is OK when it comes to your health right? There’s more mercury in a tuna fish sandwich! Pregnant women shouldn’t eat too much fish, but it’s OK to inject it? Some of these vaccines only contain trace amounts of aborted fetal tissue, animal DNA and formaldehyde and other contaminants. Get off your knees, grow a backbone and just say no. Look up S.666-Biological, Chemical and Radiological Weapons and Countermeasures Act. “We are from the government, we are here to help you and keep you safe.” Have fun at Camp FEMA. Infinite Love is The Only Truth. Nano-technology is here. Influenza vaccine, H5N1/GSK, US 666 Bio-defense Stockpile. Everything is OK, we have Ecoscience! Everything is OK, we are Geo-engineering the environment. Where there is hatred let me sew love! The side-effect of death and paralysis is very rare, so the benefits must out-weigh the risks right? Sid the science kid said, “It’ll help a whole lot.” Check out executive order 13295. 322, “It’s so secret, we can’t talk about it.” Stand Up For Liberty, more than 100 to 1, Baby!
Don!
When are you going to become a TP organizer?
Stop messing around and build your team! You have enough people now get them to work!
So what if your health is not optimal all the time, neither is mine! Let’s go out with a feeling of we did it, it killed us, but we did it!
The idea was not to have territories and not to limit how many organize.
Protests like the Tea Party rallies are the beginning of the conservative revolution. Joining as many of the various conservative groups that been created as you can is the next step. Then work with those groups to bring back the limited Constitutional government our country once had.
Americans for Legal Immigration http://lnk.ms/2wtNw #immigration #teaparty #tlot #tcot #icaucus #cia #ala #tpx #tpptc #ocyhun #MN
How about this Theory?: When money &/or power &/or the forces that manipulate our government wants a bill passed that public wont like, they wait for the political party most aligned with that issue to be in power. When voters vote them out, they have the new party in power pass parts of their agenda associated with the new party. Until that political party is voted out. WE THE PEOPLE blow off steam and “think” we have had a non-violent revolution each time we vote the party in power out; after we get fed up with them breaking their campaign promises and voting against our best interests. And the cycle repeats
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
yep – very, very likely. These is so much corruption going on that just about anything is possible.
In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot – Mark Twain
Wells Fargo Bank and Minnesota Judicial Corruption
If it seems sometimes that i do not have the energy of the rest of you, it is because I have carried the fight seemingly alone for almost 20 years. Sensing that i have successfully passed the torch on to others, Please forgive me if I occassionally stop to recuperate. The stress and retaliated of the last 20 years have taken there toll on me, financially and emotionally and have destroyed my health.
While my health permits, I am going to continue to fight for Judicial Reform and Accountability
Keep fighting the good fight.
Those were my thoughts.
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
New Ben Franklin Exhibit opens at Minnesota History Center on November 27, 2009.
http://www.benfranklinexhibit.org/exhibit
In 1774, in the wake of the Boston Tea Party and in the midst of colonial cries for “no taxation without representation,” Franklin was summoned by solicitor-general Lord Wedderburn to appear before the British Privy Council. There he was accused of treason against the Crown and publicly humiliated—yet Franklin remained silent throughout the ordeal. This was a moment of epiphany, as Franklin came to realize that compromise—for once—was unlikely to carry the day. He left London for the colonies where he added his voice to the growing insurgency. On July 4, 1776, the American colonists declared their independence from Britain.
On January 29, 1774, Lord Alexander Wedderburn verbally attacked Benjamin Franklin, accusing him of deliberately leaking letters in order to provoke colonial riots against the Crown. This humiliating, hour-long confrontation took place before the members of the British Privy Council at the Cockpit (a room named for its previous use—cockfighting). While the councilors jeered, Franklin refused to respond, and his silence was more powerful than words.
The letters in question were written by Thomas Hutchinson, the governor of Massachusetts, advising England on ways to deal with growing colonial unrest. They were passed on, indirectly, to Franklin; he shared them with colleagues in Boston and—despite his request otherwise—they were published. As a result, radical colonial patriots were outraged and their increasing hostility culminated in the Boston Tea Party.
This was my post printed by the liberal Minn Post after its Election Day Debacle Article.
“As I forecast on this website numerous times, the American people rose up and crushed the Obamination on Tuesday. The August movement in America is similar to the rebellion in Germany in 1989 which toppled the communist government there, and took down the Berlin Wall.
Jon Corzine represents all the evil policies of the Obamination: Goldman Sachs, which runs the government (Larry Summers) and Wall Street (Tim Geithner) , ripped off billions in derivative casino bets, and took down the world’s most productive economy. Then this parasite: Corzine, spends his ill gotten millions in blood money to buy a Governor ship.
Then Obama goes to New Jersey, and says “I need more Corzine to loot America”. And the liberal lap dogs Klobuchar, Franken, Ellison, and McCollum will follow him like lemmings off a cliff to oblivion in 2010.
The three most insane policies in the history of the United States: 1) Obama’s Tarp, which he voted for in 2008, 2) Cap and Tax – an insane tax on energy during a global cooling period, and 3) obamacare, which will cut Medicare by $500 billion when millions more people need it during the economic depression. ”
Watch Larouche webcast on http://www.larouchepac.com on November 11 at 12 Noon CST to get more information on the debacle of the Obamination, and real solutions to the ongoing economic depression.
James Oberstar is absolutley lying! The Climate Change Treaty is all about control and nothing else and he knows it. So was the Midwestern Regional Greenhouse Gas Reduction Accord that the phony Pawlenty supported. These laws will do nothing but hurt businesses. It’s just more control of business and people’s lives. We have to do everything we can to stop Copenhagen or else we will lose our sovereignty and freedom! James Oberstar knows this as well. He is a traitor to this country!!!
We are getting together in Brainerd today to ‘storm’ his office here. Not that we need another ‘crusace’ but, how bout’ we start a flyer, petition, or legal action to hold him in violation of the constitution? Traitors can only be charged during time of war… hey wait… we got a few of those to spare… sure that’s it. Have you ever checked out his voting record… here is a real winner, he has voted 100% for acorn and only sixty-some% in favor Vietnam vet issues. How bout’ his campaign contributions, only 3% of his funds come from within the 8th district. If he had to ‘face us’ in Fleet Farm, or Super one Foods he would vote differently. But when the people go to D.C. and never return, they are isolated from the people they are supposed to be representing. Spandex Man needs a spanking at the ballot box, I have decided to try it.
RALLY AGAINST AMNESTY & ILLEGAL #IMMIGRATION Sat Nov 14 #MN State Capital 75 Rev Dr Martin L King JR Blvd St Paul Minnesota 11a-1p #teaparty
check out this website free phones for the poor along with 70 min a month next is free internet and computors etc. This has got to stop we are going broke he is giving out phones to his voter base.
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx
Am wondering if someone can help with a post on here from earlier – the one about the criminal. Does anyone know of an attorney that may be interested in investigating this further? It involves a public agency, a criminal, the Census Bureau, and very possibly ACORN. I believe the agency is criminally negligent in their actions at the least and possibly other charges at the most. Since this involves the government corruption that we are all fighting I thought it was worth a try here. I had to hire an attorney to fight a local government here in the metro last year and it is very difficult to find anyone to go toe to toe with government. I can be reached at chadl(at)earthlink.net.
We already have one bus headed to DC to answer Michelle Bachman’s call for this Thursday to “pay a house call to Nancy Pelosi” and all of Capital Hill and let em know what we think about the proposed health care legislation. We’re taking names for the second bus leaving Wednesday at 930am. Contact marasou@aol.com for more info. Let’s Go!!!
And if you can’t make it to DC, you should still plan to show up at one of your Congressperson’s office on Thursday at noon. You can get info about where their local offices are from this web page:
http://americansforprosperity.org/cong.php
There’s more info about it at this web page, http://americansforprosperity.org/102209-make-house-call-november-5th, including a link where you can RSVP to let them know you’ll be participating, one way or another.
But please TAKE ACTION! No more sitting back and letting someone else speak for you!
Please this petition. It is the first step to reduce the size of our Federal government.
http://www.gopetition.com/online/31828.html
Here is Mr. Overspend(Oberstar) response to my issues with the Climate Bill the U.S. has and the U.N. treaty in which both give money to the disadvantaged from the U.S. coffers both in country and world wide. He is truely and Idiot to believe anyone with half a brain would listen to his canned rhetoric coming straighth from the big messiah on the hill!Mr. Jeff Nardello
11213 260th St.
Sebeka, Minnesota 56477-2229
Dear Mr. Nardello:
Knowing of your opposition to the American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454), and to international actions that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions, I would like to take this opportunity to provide you with an update.
First, it should be noted that the Midwest is already leading the way on addressing climate change. In November 2007, Midwestern governors signed the Midwestern Regional Greenhouse Gas Reduction Accord. Among other provisions, this accord calls for the development of a regional cap-and-trade program. Minnesota has been a leader by passing into law the Next Generation Energy Act, which will require the state to meet a 25 percent renewable energy standard by 2025.
While Minnesota has already taken action, addressing climate change is more than a Minnesota responsibility. On June 26, the House of Representatives passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 by a vote of 219 to 212. This legislation makes important progress toward creating millions of new, clean energy jobs; enhances our energy security by reducing our dependence on imported oil from countries ruled by dictators and unfriendly regimes; and protects the environment for many generations to come.
Additionally, this legislation would help America become the world leader in manufacturing clean energy technologies. For example, a single wind turbine contains up to 400 tons of steel and 8,000 parts. There is no reason American steel produced from Minnesota taconite cannot play a role in this new economy. Minnesota engineers, scientists, and workers can play a crucial role in this new economy.
Addressing climate change is also about keeping Americans safe. The CNA Corporation, a non-profit organization dedicated to researching and analyzing scientific, operational, and policy challenges, brought together eleven retired three-star and four-star admirals and generals to provide their perspective on the impact of climate change. They found that projected climate change poses a “serious threat to America’s national security.” Their findings stated: “Climate change acts as a threat multiplier for instability in some of the most volatile regions of the world, exacerbating conditions that lead to failed states—the breeding grounds for extremism and terrorism.”
We can create clean energy jobs and take steps to reduce the human impact on climate change without bankrupting families and small businesses in Minnesota. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office calculated that this legislation would cost the average U.S. household about $175 a year — a postage stamp a day.
The U.S. Senate is now drafting its version of climate change legislation.
The United Nations climate change conference, which will take place in Copenhagen in December of this year, will focus on a new global climate treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012. It should be noted that the United States never ratified the Kyoto Treaty. An effective response to climate change requires an international response from the major greenhouse gas emitters. I am hopeful that President Obama will be able to build consensus around a solution that promotes job creation in the U.S. and protects our environment for future generations. Should President Obama make a decision to sign a treaty, it would require two-thirds of the U.S. Senate to give consent.
While we may respectfully disagree on how to best protect our environment, I hope to earn your support on the principle of an energy policy that moves our country toward energy independence and clean electricity generation.
With best wishes.
Sincerely,
James L. Oberstar, M.C.
ll we need to do is DRILL BABY DRILL and bankrupt the mid.east and Russia. Use our fuel until there is a VIABLE renewable energy- Ethanol takes more energy to make than it produces same with solar and windmills. Oh yea Mr. Overspend what happens when there is no wind for that 400 tons of steel that needs coal, carbon, elecric etc. to manufacture??? Do we just turn off the lights? Oberstar has got to be voted out we all need to donate a little time and money to the best candidate to takehis spot right now that looks like it could even be ……… Carl Marx?
If you want to shut up all the climate change crowd, look into Helium-3 which is a CARBON FREE energy source your tax dollars have been paying for going on a decade now. It will replace coal and nuclear power within a few decades and…no one who in the GREEN movement seems to be talking about it which is the most suspicious part of it all.
Here’s a quick 5 minute explanation of the new technology on the way:
#Healthcare – How to catch Wild Hogs http://lnk.ms/4HbFx #teaparty #tcot #cia #ala #ocyhun #icaucus #rebelleft #912project #tlot #MN #a1s8
Chess Lessons and Reagan Strategies
In my high school and college days, I enjoyed playing chess. And, from those games I learned a strategy of predicting my opponents moves and planning my strategy a few moves ahead. One of my shortcomings is to attribute the ability to think a few moves ahead to people I associate with and presume that they understand that I am thinking a few moves ahead. May I suggest each of you learn the game of chess to improve our chances of prevailing in this great drama. Having said that let me move to my next point.
It is my impression that some of us TEA Party Patriots believe that all the is required to save our country is elect a Republican Majority. Others of us believe that the Same old status quo politics of the last 30 to 40 years cannot continue. Some TEA Party Patriot supporters acknowledge minor problems with the Republican Party, but think they will go away. Myself and others believe the Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the mess we find our country in. In my opinion, the politicans of both political parties have become corrupt, unaccountable and have thwarted transparency in Government. In short, Our Representative Republic as become Government by the highest bidder.
I believe that the lack of accountability, lack of transparency and corruption are entrenched in the infrastructure and leadership of both of the 2 major political parties.
I believe that Persons in Power in both of the major political parties will not willing nor easily part from the Quid Pro Quo that yields them power in excess of what the constitution permits.
And so as a chess player, I think more than one move ahead.
If we just replace the Democrat majority with a Republican majority, we still have the same old status quo corrupt, opaque and unaccountable Politics which got us here in the first place.
How then do we take back our party and force the leadership to abandon its corrupt, opaque and unaccountable ways?
And my solution is to seriously suggest the formation of a third party…
It is at this point that some of us TEA Party folks more loyal to Party than to Country, jump down my throat. Some ask if I will split the vote and the Democrats will remain in power. Some look at me as a traitor. My various writings speak to my conservative nature. My contributions, both economic and volunteer, speak to my past loyalty to the Republican cause. But my freinds, the Republicans haven’t been acting very Republican lately. And for that matter, they have been more loyal to retention of their power and personal gain than to the general welfare of our country.
Having established my conservative leaning loyalties, I apparently still have to spell out the strategy a few moves out. And so, here it is.
In his January 26, 2009 – 1st State of the Union Address, Ronald Reagan introduced us to his strategy of dealing with the Russians, “In those talks it is essential that we negotiate from a position of strength. There must be real incentive for the Soviets to take these talks seriously.”
Ergo, You see my strategy in pressing the third party alternative is press the entrenched corruption of the Republican Party to parley for terms. And to do so from a position of strength.
My fellow TEA Party Patriots that place loyalty to party over loyalty to country, or resign themselves to the Republican Party with a whimper believing they have no other alternative, or are not up to the fight and work involved in creating a third party, destroy our position of strength from which to demand reform from the Republican Party.
So, now you understand part of my strategy a few moves out.
And the other part has to do with encouraging some rebel left liberals in our TEA Party movement that feel the same way about the Democrat party that I do about the Republican Party. They feel that there party is also corrupt, unaccountable and opaque. They choose to place loyalty to Country over loyalty to party. Is it too much for me to ask the same of you?
I would appreciate it if you TEA Party folks that are Republican Party loyalist would tell me your strategy a few moves out. How do you plan to cause reform within the Republican Party, if not from a position of strenght?
I would prefer to remain with the Republican Party, but I will not be Astroturf. We must hold our own leaders to an even higher standard than our opponents. How can we expect the liberals to reform their Party, if we won’t hold our own party to the same or higher standard?
Saving our Country requires more than just a simply changing the Political Party in charge.
I am open to listening to other strategies that will result in real reform and save our country. The next move is yours. I leave you with this quote:
“We must become the change we want to see in the world.” – Mohatma Gandhi
Those were my thoughts.
Respectfully submitted,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
OATH KEEPERS VERY OWN SHERIFF RICHARD MACK is coming to Bloomington Minnesota NOV 14 2009 to get your tickets please go to http://www.libertyradio1710.com
SEAT ARE LIMITED
SEE YOU THERE
Where can we find the names of the candidates for all of the state of Minn? What elections are coming up and where?
Went out to the League of Women’s voters and found that they had been taken over by the left and the green movement. They used to be competent and unbiased but not any more.
We need one place that we can go to see who is a candidate for what position where, without bias or prejudice?
Sounds like AARP… and AAA… and how many other org’s taken over by groups with not-so-honest intentions…
Isn’t it interesting that the Obama girls all of the sudden reportedly received their vaccinations a week ago? And why would they have tried to mandate these shots if there wasn’t enough to go around? New York health care workers win a victory, now all of the sudden there is a “national emergency,” to make it easier to put up some tents, and clear the way for funding? I don’t think so! The Health Ranger is right.Did anyone see Frieden’s smirk on his face as he was talking about the old chicken egg technology? They have even more potent and “effective,” vaccinations planned for us. We are being conditioned to accept this bought and paid for pseudoscience. Please check out Gary Null’s swine flu white paper. Vaccinations should never be called immunizations because they do not guarantee immunity. Politically, I agree With Mr. Paul, that vaccinations should NEVER be mandated, however medically, Dr. Paul may be incorrect no matter how popular the polio vaccine was. In Europe, polio was in decline before the vaccine was even introduced and in the U.S. all cases of polio was caused by the vaccine itself. Yes, the American people are waking up, the whole world is waking up, thanks to people like Jane. That’s what the so called elite are afraid of. Read MEDISIN, by Dr. Whitaker.Most of the entire medical establishment has been completely brainwashed into believing the “germ theory,” that you can create “herd immunity” by assaulting the immune system with toxic soup. Most immunologists would agree that we have only begun to understand the immune system. Just having an antibody response is not the entire picture. These Sorcerers would like you to think otherwise. Governments create fear to control you. F.E.A.R. False Evidence Appearing Real. Stand up for Liberty, “Say No To The Vaccines!” END THE FED! H.R. 1207, S. 604. Peace, Love and Liberty will prevail! (Tyranny)
“This year, during the worst recession since the Great Depression, the average member of Congress will realize a 2.8 percent raise.
That means their profit margin is larger than the insurance companies they are demonizing.”
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“Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and
construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum
food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They’re all more profitable than the
health insurance industry.” – AP
…
“HealthSpring, the best performer in the health insurance industry,
posted 5.4 percent. That’s a less profitable margin than was achieved
by the makers of Tupperware, Clorox bleach and Molson and Coors beers.” – AP
…
Note the graph below:
“…Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. As is typical, other health sectors did much better – drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.” – AP
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Until we kick them out… or fire them, nothing will change. House and senate people need to have real jobs where they are surrounded by Joe-six-pack and the rest of us. These pirates in D.C. went there from ‘home’ districts and never went back… they lost whatever touch they had with reality. If elected from Minnesota’s 8th cong. district, one of my top five points will be to cut congressional pay in half, reduce retirement contributions, get house member health care in line with what us working stiffs have, and only have them meet in D.C. once a month for two days to vote… all the rest… or most of it, can be done online at home…. at night… or on ‘free time’!!! Get them out of there and put them into Home Depot, the Walmart greeter, plumbing, wiring, driving a dozer for a road crew… you get the drift. They have become ‘anointed’ and that’s not what the founders had in mind, it;s time they represent US…NOT THEM!!
I don’t know if you’re speaking of our movement directly, but this is EXACTLY what we’re doing at http://bringhomethepoliticians.com
We already have EIGHT 2010 BRING HOME COALITION CANDIDATES who’ve included this idea in their platform.
Hey – I’d like to remind people that this group is about principles, not parties. More and more, I am getting the distinct feeling that this Tea Party movement nationwide has been infiltrated by a bunch of partisans and possibly operatives that are looking to advance their agenda at our expense! The ONLY agenda I am interested in is one about principles. From the Our Story page, we find:
“unify around the common themes of Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government and Free Markets.”
Be mindful, and watchful of what is going on. There are good people in both parties and within NONE of the parties that agree and align their actions with the principles. PRINCIPLES, PRINCIPLES, PRINCIPLES.
I believe the “stimulus” money that was “printed” was not only to “bail out” bad companies, but was also meant to advance the government’s agenda of expanding corruption at a break-neck pace on all fronts. You are starting to see it show up if you are paying attention.
I was rudely reminded of the blatant corruption this week when I discovered a 12 time criminal with 8 aliases is now working on behalf of the US Census. Don’t let them tell you that the Census has cut ties with ACORN – it is a sham. Maybe they cutoff the relationship in name-only but it is continuing. Those 12 crimes? They aren’t just any old crimes. And by the way some of them are within the last 12 months.
Red Alert to all Health care workers! Can anyone tell me where to find any long term double blind placebo controlled studies proving that flu vaccines are safe and effective? Using real science with a real placebo, Besides the “cohort” studies which have been debunked.
Check this article out:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-soul-is-lost-and-collapse-is-inevitable-2009-10-20?pagenumber=1
I read on Michele Bachman’s letter that banks are/were funneling money to ACORN to satisfy their Community Reinvestment Act obligations. Does anyone think that the banks ONLY wanted to satisy their obligations or did they expect to buy political cover from their activities? This money flow obvious links the banks to ACORN. Now we have learned that ACORN is tied to the White House. Hmm..
Here is an interesting idea for the 2012 GOP Presidential ticket;
Governor Sarah Palin
Representative Michele Bachmann
I’d certainly go for that. Sarah and Michelle are two of the brightest people in this country. They could make this country a great place to live once again!!!
Anybody watch Glenn today?? This is some very VERY serious stuff! Does anyone think that the “free trade” with China and the movement of all our manufacturing there was a complete coincidence? Were policies setup on purpose to drive American business there? For the radicals to align themselves with Communist China? Why is it that China owns most of our debt? Yet another coincidence? Glenn and his staff are genius. Things are becoming clearer by the day and it isn’t pretty.
I read yesterday on the internet from one of the newspapers, maybe newsmax or Drudge, that Obama has opened up our nuclear sites to China visitors to see. Is this for real?? Is anybody else getting pretty nervous about this stuff?
It is clear there are 2 power centers in the fight for our freedom – and neither center cares about you and I. The 2 centers are Big Business monopolies and Big Government/labor unions. We that are fighting for ideals are continually being sucked into loyalty to one or the other. Both sides hold the majority of the financial, power, and control levers. Those of us that want neither – that want freedom and liberty, are having a VERY difficult time because both sides hold the power of financial control over our heads. Those that cling to ideals and beliefs must increasingly make a choice between being loyal to 1 of the 2 power centers or being destitute. Free enterprise and free markets is nearly a myth in this country. Most choose not to be destitute so they cling to 1 side or the other and abandon their ideals because neither power center can exist when the TRUE ideals of America get in the way – ie: The Constiution, the Bill of Rights and the ultimate ideal: FREEDOM.
We that choose ideals over power are in the fight of our life – maybe in the history of the world – as both power centers have accumulated unprecedented wealth, power and control while the majority of Americans sold out to 1 or the other power centers and partied like it was 1999. They both continue to exploit those that are not paying attention through money laundering operations, deceit, deception, corruption of all sorts and outright bullying. I believe when you say STAND UP – I think it means to stand up to the tyranny of BOTH POWER CENTERS! They are insidious and everywhere. They lurk in every alley, every hall, every building – you get the idea: everywhere.
So, I think every citizen has a choice to make: stand with the enemies or stand on ideals. Riding the fence is not going to work. Both sides are dug in – and I mean FORTIFIED. What they are hoping YOU don’t figure out is that they need US (ie: little people) for their schemes to continue. Choose neither. Make conscious choices to avoid both, as much as possible. We must make a difference or this fight will enter a new and very dangerous phase that we are witnessing right before our eyes – the “transformation” of our country. It is NOT easy – but it must be done. For the Republic. For our Freedom. For our children – lest someday we can apologize to our children that we let the most precious of all slip through our hands – our God given Freedoms. Now is the time! Make CONSCIOUS choices every day! Bow to neither.
This is conspiracy theory crap! That the two big power centers have complete control of us. That we can’t do anything but get “sucked in” by either big business or big government. BS! Our government does have power over us because we realize that as Thomas Paine said “government at best is a necessary evil.” But we have choices when it comes to big businesses. If big businesses were so powerful why did the second largest, and at one time the largest, car company in the world, GM, recently declare bankruptcy? Because we chose not to buy enough of GM’s products to keep it profitable!
What needs to be done is to reduce the size of our government. The faster we do that and the sooner we do it the better off we will be. We have the tools to reduce the size of our government we just don’t use them. The best tool for reducing the size of our government is to repeal the 1943 Current Payment Tax Act. You’ve never heard of it? If you want to learn more about the 1943 Current Payment Tax Act and how it will start to reduce the size of our government, contact me.
Thanks for the comment. I totally agree with you on limited government and choices, but lets get real. There are limited choices. The key word is limited. Thanks to this group and people speaking out and if enough people get active and make the right choices, we can limit the size of government. The truth is, Big Business (I am talking mostly about the publicly traded ones on Wall Street) always want to grow. Nothing wrong with that, to a point, since their first loyalty is to the shareholder. But, if there is enough competition in the marketplace via truly free markets, the upstarts cut into their profits. This is why government creates so many restrictions, regulations, and licensing on business in general because the big businesses know that small business doesn’t have the means to comply (if there are enough restrictions). It is a way to drive out competition. Of course, we are all sold on the fact that government is “watching out” for us, it is consumer protection, and for the common good. Or is it??? If we continue down the path we are on, there will be less small businesses in this country and we all know that small businesses create the vast majority of jobs. If no one thinks the laws and regulations created by bureaucrats is only created by them with no input, then why are there so many business lobbysists on the hill? It is pay to play or influence. With that influence, you get favors, and those favors translate into favorable tax treatment, government contracts, or more regulations to drive out competition. If anyone doubts this is the case, then read the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 which was brought up on Wednesday. The Act (created by government) gave insurance companies an anti-trust exemption. What this means exactly I am not sure but I am sure it partially explains why health care costs have skyrocketed. I don’t want people to think that big business is all bad, but people need to be aware of all the moving parts. The mess we have in this country wasn’t caused by out of control government alone.
When are we going to start asking this simple question of all of our members of Congress, “Where in our Constitution is there the authorization for this bill?” Whether it is the health care bills or cap and trade, which is now being called the “pollution reduction bill” we need to have our members of Congress explain and show us where in our Constitution is the authorization for these bills? When you ask them this question it will help to have a copy of our Constitution in your hand. But do not let them slide with the explanation that it is found in Article 1 Section 8 clauses 1 or 3 (the general welfare or regulation of commerce clauses). If either of those clauses did there would not be a need for our Constitution to limit the size of our government!
This is the crap I have been yelling about for years… but the ‘average american’ is to busy watching survivor or taking kids here or there… or working that little second job to make up the income lost in the downsizing of the daytime job… lets face it, we are very distracted and sometimes I think the education monopoly is in on it.
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Is anyone going to attend the Can You Hear Us Now event? I would like to make sure people ar going before I ride all the was to the cities from Sebeka(Park Rapids area).
I havent seen or heard anything since first post now I cant find it was on?
http://www.operationcanyouhearusnow.com
There should be a good turn out for the KARE 17th rally.
Here is the local FB sight.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=164171053082&ref=mf#
or e-mail dave and get in the loop.
dstanoch@hotmail.com
Hi the one at Kare11 is a definate go, I’ve been hearing alot about it on As a Mom.
Another protest is being planned for DOWNTOWN in front of ‘CCO and the STRIB. For more info on that one, contact: skihne@gmail.com
Wanted to share my thoughts about Congress:
Dear Congress:
Very interesting what is on the front page of the Senate.gov site today, 10/13/09. There at the top of the page is “We The People” and there is a discussion of a particular part of the Constitution there, too.
The real question is who are The People? Is it only those that agree with the partisan policies that are being put forward by special interest groups? Is it only those in Congress? Is it only those that contribute financially to the 2 all-powerful parties that distort and corrupt everything in sight? It surely can’t be any of us “little people” that speak out and question what is going on.
It also is ironic that the Senate even give lip service to the Constiution when so much of it has been blatantly and repeatedly violated over and over and over again by politicians over the decades and now is being relegated to the trash heap of history.
We’re kind of tired of being run over rough-shod, not listened to, not acknowledged, and completely dismissed. We have news for Congress – unless there is blatant corruption in the voting process next year, there could very likely be a clean sweep of Congress. It is long, long LONG overdue.
WE the people want liberty and freedom, not handouts and tyranny. Ramming through a health care bill come hell or high water is not a way to win re-election. We need less government, less BIG BUSINESS (ie: MONOPOLIES – which are greasing the skids through their lobbyists) and lower prices – namely lower health care prices through less litigation and greatly increased competition!!
As a side note, I was a Republican until I learned what was really going on. I attended a party hearing and was treated like a child and those in attendance were ushered around like cattle and talked down to. This happened on more than 1 occassion. It will never happen again. When my intelligence is insulted and I am treated like a kindergartener, I don’t take kindly to it. The American People are not a bunch of cattle to be hearded around by the All-Powerful parties to do their bidding.
Say hello to a Clean-Sweep in ’10.
Great comments, Please watch, Fall of The Republic after Oct, 21.
Question: How did Mr. Baucus become the “mouthpiece” of the health care bill? Why him? Why not someone else that had more name recognition with the public?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:44:02 -0500
Subject: Re: operationcanyouhearusnow.com Contact Form Results
From: ocyhun@gmail.com
Unfortunately, rumor has it that TPP were miffed they didn’t come up with the idea (or were’nt consulted) and other segments within the TPP movement are afraid this will just make the press mad (and they won’t be able to get good press). (Hence, no mention of this event on their site)
They (some in leadership) have the notion they can reach out to the MSM types and befriend them and get on good “press” terms with them.
That’s the “John McCain” strategy. Where did it get him?
They (segments of this movement) are looking for affirmation from those they should be seeking accountability from.
I say it’s impossible to expect the MSM to be fair and unbiased at this point in time, but we’re trying to show them just how many people are on to their lack of subjectivity.
Those that control the news are diametrically opposed politically, ideogically, socially, culturally, and philosophically to the conservative, USA loving, constitutional-thinking citizen.
Unfortunately, there are some on the “right” side of things obsessed with control, fame, recognition, etc.
My opinion is that recipe won’t work.
Grassroots needs to stay grassroots and who cares who gets the credit or headline?
Real leaders don’t look for the credit – they focus on results and the good of the country.
Forward that to your supporters and attenders and let them decide for themselves!
The Tea Party is controlled at the highest levels by Dick Armey, a Republican operative. They were amazed at the turn out in Washington, DC, and the local Express stops, because hundreds of thousands of Americans were, and are, looking for any organized opposition to the Obamination. That is why Fox news is breaking all rating charts.
Personally, I think that the Main Sewer Media is a good target for protests. I would not restrict the signage to “nice” slogans. What is nice and fair about General Electric owning NBC, and MSNBC, and their CEO chairing the Council of Economic Advisors in the White House which 1) promoted ALL the trillion dollar bailouts, 2) promoted Cap and Trade, which is nothing but Green Fascism, and 3) promoted Obamacare, which Main Sewer media outlet Newsweek revealed is nothing but a “Case for Killing Granny” in a recent cover story.
Hitler had a health plan in 1939 – 1941 which killed 70,000 elderly, deformed children, and disabled adults. This was a prelude to the Holocaust. Glenn Beck has correctly shown German posters on TV from that period which advocated that disabled people be killed to save 60,000 Reichsmarks. Obamacare will cut Medicare and kill the elderly to finance Wall Street bailouts.
You have to tell the truth, and put your faith in the American people, whom Benjamin Franklin told, “you have a Republic, if you can keep it.”
Furthermore, the level of vitriol between the Founding Fathers, such as John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson, was extremely intense. They did not shy away from polemical attacks. Yet, after the 1800 election, Adams and Jefferson became good friends, and corresponded for life. They died on the same day, July 4, 1826, 50 years to the day after the Declaration of Independence was signed. This convinced most Americans, correctly, of the divine import in American Exceptionalism.
Senator Amy Klobuchar
“Health Care Priorities and Current Reform Efforts”
4pm
October 12, 2009
Mayo Auditorium
University of Minnesota
Free and open to the public
Calling All Tea Party patriots! Please help me to get the word out! The Pharmaceutical-Military-Industrial-Complex wants to start mass vaccinations here in Mn. First as a condition of employment, then whats next? Banning the right to peaceably assemble! Stand Up for Liberty! “Say No To The Vaccine!” The fascists are coming! (Tyranny)
This is a REALLY GOOD video from a 60 MINUTES episode in 1979 looking back at the 1976 swine flu hysteria.
It will go a long way to helping your cause especially since the same players CDC, overhyped death rates, are again involved in a major case of Deja Vu:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam
Tyranny — From what source are you getting your information about forced mass vaccinations by the “Pharmaceutical-Military-Industrial-Complex”?
Due to financial times, within the hospital, LPN’s within the Hospital will be laid off. The Hospital is supposedly not eliminating all of the LPN’s. The Union contract has recently expired and there is a 60 day extension. One of managements proposals is mandatory, forced vaccination! The new experimental H1n1 arrives here in Mn tomorrow. Hospital employees’ for the last few years have been required to log into the computer and complete a declination form and they are also asked for what reasons they are refusing. A data base so they can track and trace you. This is health care politics at it’s pure core. The LPN’s are the smallest contract group within the hospital. What I hear from a MNA rep is that the hospital has said vaccinations will not be mandatory. This appears to be a lie. Now, part if not all of the LPN’s will be laid off, and the rest will be forced to vote yes if they want to keep their job. That will set the precedence to illegally set the “mandate” for forced vaccinations for all of the other employees. If you read of reports about employees who do not accept vaccines across the country, in certain areas they are being made to wear masks. What is next a yellow star? Any other health care worker across the state; they are coming after you next with the toxic jab. Please do everything you can to get the truth out. Call the Governor and demand health freedom. Your life may depend on it! This is serious folks. Please help spread the word. Tyranny is descending upon us. Tyranny
Mysteriously missing political photos! I am one of those people who still use one of the ancient cameras with the old film. I am a Tea Party Patriot and SEIU member. CVS pharmacy in St. Paul initially, allegedly lost my photos. The lab manager said, “I processed them.” & then said they must have been given to someone else. After calling management and a supposed investigation with no call back, I called CVS again only to be told, “The order was never processed, it was canceled.” These were several Tea Party Photos, Keith Ellison town hall photos, Democratic health care rally photos and Ron Pauls’ visit to the Northrup photos. I am a health care worker that is facing possible Lay off and the possibility of forced vaccination as a condition of employment. One photo is of Josh from McCollums’ staff who took a picture of me and told me,”I have your face on camera now.” I took his picture back and told him I have a picture of him too. There was nothing illegal or unconstitutional on these photos. Sure would be nice to get my photos back!
SEIU member? You must be finding yourself in a bit of a ‘spot’… however you represent many people in the same predicament. It’s very sad that your ‘leadership’ in SEIU has chosen a side in all this mess and decided to throw some or most of membership ‘under the bus’ as they say. This entire disaster is pitting neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother and it could very easily boil over like another civil war, this time it’s about TARP, UAW, forced vaccinations, an intrusive ‘census’… and the list goes on. Many hard working people have started to wake up to the fact that congress is there for one thing… THEMSELVES! You can count on one hand the ones that actually give a &%$#@ about you or I… or for the working middle class that has all but disappeared due to our open door immigration, greedy union bosses, and overbearing gov’t reg’s.
Do You Think Our Senators really care about “affordable,” health care for the average American? Neither Al or Amy has either signed on to S. 604, the senate version of H.R. 1207, that has at least 289 co sponsors. What exactly does “affordable” health care mean? More socialism will only bring more tyranny. What does Employer responsibility mean? Does that mean Budgeting properly and not relying on big brother handouts so the state and federal government can tell them what to do. Does that mean not lying to their employees? Or expanding the size and look of the buildings while laying them off and trying to get rid of any pension. Wake up people the “Public option” Is another term for totalatarian tip toe incrementelisim so that big brother can micromanage every aspect of our lives. The social engineers that brought us medicare are going to bring us a public option that eventually everyone but the so called elite will be forced into. Has anyone seen the stock in verichip lately? Vote yes for real reform. Does anyone know what that means? Real reform means Read The Constitution! Where is health care a right in the constitution? Or maybe you want to live under agenda 21 U.N. Dictatorship? Turn off the TV and read! Tell the congress that we demand health freedom. Tell Them that we demand you read any bill. Tell them that we the people demand time to read and understand any bill. Understand what an individual mandate is. Say No! No last minute additions. No threats of martial law or a breakdown of society. You people that think you have power, don’t you understand that you will be forced to accept the poison too. Please break your conditioning, or maybe you get off on it! You might have a few more toys a few more vacations with a few more drinks to dull your depression of the false reality that you have created. In the meantime your grandchildren will be born with more health problems. Your loved ones will see more and more early onset alzheimers and a breakthrough will be right around the corner with a new implant. Do you know that “herd immunity” is really only pseudoscience? Or maybe you like being treated as cattle. 100% is the goal. Where is the real evidence? It’s hidden in scientific doublespeak. This is herd mentality. Look up^ Look Around We are in a petri dish! Do you know what a “mock up” virus is? MF 59? Aso3? Squalene? GWS? GBS? Read! Investigate! Chan says swine flu is mild, yet Freiden says, “on average flu is not a mild illness.” As Public Enemy would say, “Don’t Believe the Hype!” Prof Griff knows whats going on! Peace! Good, Love& Liberty will prevail! (Tyranny)
10/19/09 Update. After several more phone calls and getting a message to the area manager and loss prevention and asking for a written response if they could not produce my photos. Surprise! My photos were returned today! According to the district manager the lab person suddenly did not remember processing them. Also, a black couple dropped the order off then canceled the order three minutes later. Perhaps after a month it is possible that someone realized they had another persons’ photos. Or maybe someone just didn’t like the fact that there just happened to be a few pictures of some people with “Investigate 9/11″ banners in them. One photo that is priceless is Mr. Ellison pointing to a sign that reads “follow the money.” Following that logic, can anyone please tell me why Keith has not signed onto H.R. 1207 yet? Republicrats and Democans please wake up and quit fighting each other and realize global governance is being set up right before our eyes. Quit worrying about being politically correct and what others might think of you. Or maybe it’s more important to know what the Vikings or the Twin’s did or or who was the latest Hollywood star to have an affair or what the latest fashion is? Does anyone care that we are being brainwashed poisoned and enslaved and more socialism is on the way? Do you want your children and grandchildren to know what it means to be free? Is this a “conspiracy theory?” Or rather, “An alliance of convenience?” Liberate America! Say no to socialism! Don’t tread on me! (Tyranny)
New Event:
Operation Can You Hear Us Now
Rally at KARE 11 (8811 Olson Memorial Hwy, Golden Valley) Oct 17, 3 PM
Contact: Dave Stanoch dstanoch@hotmail.com
I will help in any way I can, beginning with prayer. I have a memeorial service that day, but will try to squeeze it all in. Tea Parties at TV stations, love it!
Parking will be on the South/West Service road running parallel with Olson Memorial (hwy 55). From hwy 55, Go South on General Mills Blvd./ take first right, Ensign Ave./ at “T’ turn right.
Will be coming from Sebeka( north central how far away is that?
3 hours 172 miles
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=8811+Olson+Memorial+Hwy,+Golden+Valley&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=8811+Olson+Memorial+Hwy,+Minneapolis,+MN+55427&gl=us&ei=8NTGSr-DM4bsswOWyISiBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1
Sebeka…??? Did you go the the tea party at Fungus Fills?
In case y’all don’t know about it yet, there’s another set of rallies that are being held nationwide, all on the same day, all focused on media outlets. Here’s a link to their web page:
http://www.operationcanyouhearusnow.com/
You guys got wind of this yet?
http://action.seiu.org/page/event/detail/insurancedayofaction/wrlz
Stand up to UnitedHealthcare (Insurance Day of Action)
Join SEIU members and our progressive allies as we highlight UnitedHealthcare’s actions to block health insurance reform and continue making huge profits at the expense of regular Americans.
Time: Tuesday, September 22 from 9:30 AM – 11:30 AM
Host: Greg Namacker
Location:
UnitedHealthcare HQ (Edina, MN)
5816 Lincoln Drive
Edina, MN 55436
Yeah, moveon.org is doing a similar thing at NC US Sen (D) Kay Hagan’s offices in Greensboro, NC & DC along with the Greensboro United Healthcare office.
This protest was an attempt by the socialists/fascists to intimidate a business. The socialists/fascists do not want a business to make any decisions that are not government approved. People and businesses are to serve the government. A government run by an elite group that “deserves” to run everything because they are smarter and more compassionate than anyone else. The socialists/fascists have demonstrated their intelligence by solving all of our country’s problems. Thanks to them there is no more poverty or unemployment, no more racism or discrimination of any kind. They did all this with your tax dollar not theirs. Their generous and compassionate donations have funded charities to the point where the charities will soon be out of business.
I think they just feel that death panels should not be run by the government, but stay where they belong – with private companies.
See, that’s where allowing for open competition solves for the “denied insurance” scenario because you’ll find companies popping up to fill that niche for commonly turned down individuals.
I had the same scenario happen to me with a small business when I got screwed over by a large credit card processing company that took away my ability to process VISA/MC in large part because they failed to fully educate me (and other merchants) on the proper use of AVS systems.
BUT…I was given processing rights by a provider that specialized in terminated merchant cases.
Competition solves for problems while monopolies create them.
Remove the ban on interstate commerce for health insurance and LOWER COSTS, IMPROVED CARE, and NEW JOBS will be the immediate result.
The British Health Service euthanasia program was introduced as a pilot project in 2003 and 2004 by Simon Stevens, Blair’s chief adviser on health policy from 2001 to 2004. In 2007, Stevens went to the United States to spread the euthanasia project there. Stevens became vice president of Minnesota-based UnitedHealth, the massive private health insurance company for the U.S. and Britain. Stevens’ official job is to advise all private health insurers to get behind the new agenda for health-care reform.
It is pretty hilarious that Move On will protest United Health, since both promote Euthanasia. George Soros is the biggest promoter of Euthanasia globally.
In 1994, George Soros began his Project on Death in America, designed to train leaders in spreading a culture of death, euthanasia, and cultural pessimism throughout American medicine. “Soros Scholars” were trained and paid to infiltrate medical centers and medical schools. They were to implement a propaganda campaign, largely financed by the pro-euthanasia Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, for the abandonment of high-technology medicine in favor of acceptance of death and the heavy use of narcotics.
Linda Emanuel was a top leader of this enterprise. She founded and led the Education for Physicians on End of Life Care (EPEC). The EPEC curriculum was developed with Charles F. von Gunten (a Soros Scholar), Frank F. Ferris (Soros), and Russell Portenoy (Soros). The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation gave $5 million to fund EPEC, and Soros gave about $140,000.
Linda Emanuel, by then a professor of bioethics at Harvard, also set up the Institute for Ethics for the American Medical Association. The goal of that entity within the AMA was to educate its member doctors on hospice and palliative care, as an alternative to curing people, so that killing them with poison would not be necessary. The AMA’s program was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Michael, it’s not a “ban” but merely what has been auhtorized by the US Constitution; that being insurance regulation is covered at the State level. If you truly want the federal government out of your life, you should be wary of them taking over regulation of insurance coverage. Especially, if the Feds have to step in to keep insurnace companies from concentrating on “friendly” states that costs consumers. It’s one of those things that isn’t as simple as people think.
@Dave – please elaborate on the Constitutional part that maintains this. I’m assuming you’re referring to the interstate commerce clause.
Yes, insurance coverage is SUPPOSED to be covered at the state level, but this was lightly touched on in the ’08 election debates where it was clearly outlined that it was the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT who put in the ban on interstate commerce for health insurance.
I’m simply suggesting they remove/undo their original mistake.
However, if you can tell how it’s the states that are responsible and hold the sole power to remove the ban on interstate commerce, I’ll gladly go hunting down that trail to fix this issue on the state levels.
“Especially, if the Feds have to step in to keep insurnace companies from concentrating on “friendly” states that costs consumers. It’s one of those things that isn’t as simple as people think.”
Again, the car insurance model proves that this isn’t the case. Because automobiles are just as much subject to “friendly” state concentration when you factor in higher rates for auto damage in states plagued by hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, etc.
And even if you had the “friendly” state concentration scenario, the costs for the “unfriendly” states will still be far less than they are now.
Congratulations Tea Party! Your revolt has reached the European Parliament!
Italian MEP: The American People Are Revolting Against Financial Oligarchies
September 18, 2009 (LPAC) — Lega Nord faction chief at the European Parliament Mario Borghezio, called for Europe to follow the “people’s revolt against financial oligarchies, as in the United States,” in a speech yesterday on the floor. The plenary session of the European Parliament had been called to discuss the next G-20 meeting.
“We the people,” Borghezio said, “do not believe in bailout policies for financial institutions, which are paid for by taxpayers. Instead, European governments should give enough resources to the real economy.” The Lega Nord representative illustrated figures on the global bailout ($23 trillion), which have been already allocated to bail out those responsible for the financial bubble, and he attacked the failing or incomplete measures to put a cap on bonuses and to eliminate tax havens. “What confidence could people have in regulation of the financial markets, which is entrusted to the priests of globalist temples, such as Draghi?” Borghezio asked.
“The truth is that high finance commands and politics obeys, both in the United States and in Europe, where politicians are the servants of the globalist banking power.”
Borghezio also referred to the “popular revolt taking place in America against financial oligarchies,” and concluded: “Europe, wake up! Follow the example of the American people, who are starting a second revolution of freedom!”
Hi All- Just a little info for everyone- Yes they are talking about cutting off funds to ACORN but I wonder if they will still receive grant money.
This year there was grant money available for Fire Prevention Week. Many fired depts applied for this money, so did ACORN!. Many fire depts were turned down for the much needed money. Money needed to inform young and old about fire prevention, yet ACORN was granted…. $900,000.00 yep nine hundred thousand dollars!. I didnt know they were fire safety/prevention trained. This is how they get their funding!!!!
We all NEED to contact our worthless represenatatives and senators and tell them to cancel this grant immediately and refunnel that $900,000.00 to the F.D.s’ so they can teach our children and not have to use fire fighting money to do it! Once again the heroes are short changed and the criminals are rewarded by this Admin. I doubt many F.D.s asked for that kind of moneyPlease make some noise about this issue before they receive the money.
JRN
This is certainly a great opportunity for the fire dept’s that really need something, to step forward and say ‘hey, would ya’ rather give money to ACORN or your local fire dept., that is always there for you’? They never get a crack in the armor like this.
First of all thanks to all who put together a great evening. It is time for patriots to stand up to what is being done to our country.
Some thoughts:
Please don’t let people READ from the podium. I could see people glazing over within 20 seconds as soon as we were being read to! I appreciate what you were trying to do, but reading the constituion is a sure fire way to put people to sleep.
What happened to attendance? Was it advertised on the radio at all? Like other mind numbed robots, I listen to the radio a lot during the day, and I never heard a THING about the tea party!
That’s all, appreciate all your hard work.
God bless America!
Climate Change -
Here is my response to Oberstars June 30 email since finding out about the Dept. Of Treasury Letter to Obama dated 3/9/09 in which they state that the cost is $1761.00 per family
Correspondence: Mr. Oberstar, On 6/30/09 you had responded to an email from me re: climate change in that you stated ” The Congressional Budget Office calculated that the legislation would cost the average U.S. household about $175 a year — a postage stamp a day.” This was also stated by Mr. Waxman (.40 a day in April and again as a postage stamp by the president in May?. However, I know find that the President and you were issued a report on 3/9/09 from the DEPT. OF TREASURY advising that the cost will be $1761.00 per familiy per year. Now, by my calculations , and me being just a citizen and all….. that adds up to way more than “a postage stamp a day”.If you add the rebates that will be given to the poor of this country that $1761.000 per family will probably at least double. So you are in fact taxing the average tax payer at more that 15% above our income taxes. What a deal! After digesting all of this I have a question- did you lie as did the president regarding this issue( as he undoubatably had that report) or were you kept in the dark and not told of this report? Please makle your answer short and honest either you were in the dark or you lied- your choice. Thankyou and I await your response JRN
Has anyone seen Glenn Beck tonight and the lie Obama and Waxman told about the climate bill cost per family? It comes to 1761 per houshold without adding rebates to the poor. That is about a 15% increase in the average taxpayer income tax bill NOT a postage stamp a day as stated.
Well- Mr. Oberstar made the same claim in an email to me in June of this year- Here is my latest email to him everyone may want to challange him on this email:
Dear Mr. Nardello:
Thank you for sharing with me your opposition to legislation that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions. I appreciate your advocacy.
On June 26, the House of Representatives passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (H.R. 2454) by a vote of 219 to 212. I supported the bill after ensuring that several concerns I had about potential economic hardship to the 8th District were addressed. The resulting language makes important progress toward promoting clean energy and reducing carbon emissions in the United States.
The legislation would create millions of new, clean energy jobs; enhance America’s energy security by reducing our dependence on imported oil from countries ruled by dictators; and protect the environment for many generations to come.
Additionally, this legislation would help America become the world leader in manufacturing clean energy technologies. For example, a single wind turbine contains up to 400 tons of steel and 8,000 parts. The clean energy economy will create jobs here in America to produce these technologies, and there is no reason American steel produced from Minnesota taconite cannot play a role in this new economy.
The Congressional Budget Office calculated that the legislation would cost the average U.S. household about $175 a year — a postage stamp a day.
I am pleased that agreement was reached to clarify the definition of renewable biomass to protect the 8th District’s vital wood product sector, as well as to make the iron ore industry eligible for emission allowances to prevent the loss of jobs on the Iron Range.
While we may respectfully disagree on this legislation, I hope to earn your support on the principle of an energy policy that moves our country toward energy independence and clean electricity generation. The legislation is now under consideration by the U.S. Senate.
With best wishes.
Sincerely,
James L. Oberstar, M.C.
JLO/meg
SEEMS Mr. Oberstar has issues with the truth just like the annointed one Obama.
Hi – I am excited to hear about the Tea Party tonight however since my home computer has been down for two months I just heard about it today. I listen to most of the local and national talk shows; was it announced in the media? If it was I missed it. Just wanted to be sure the word is getting out.
I sure hope that a lot of people make it out today for the Tea Party at the Capitol.
It was fun meeting the other protesters at the Obamacare rally on Saturday, but it would have been cool if more people had shown up.
See you all tonight!!
On Wednesday October 7th at the Ridgedale Public Library (12601 Ridgedale Dr, Minnetonka, MN 55305) there will be a “Take Back America Rally” from 7 to 9 PM hosted by the A1S8 Society LLC. Thr rally is free and open to the public. Come to the rally to hear how we can end the incremental advance of socialism that is the drive for universal health care. We know what the problem is. Let’s start working on a solution!
Obamacare wants to import the British National Health Service to America. That is why it is truthful to say, “Obama Lies, Grandma Dies.”
A British National Health Service-commissioned report by McKinsey and Company, calling for saving $32 billon per year by drastic cuts in health care, was leaked to the press last week. King’s Fund chief economist John Appleby (quoted in Time magazine, Sept. 9, 2009) responded that these savings must be accomplished by finding “ways to counter rising health-care costs associated with an aging population, expensive new medical treatments and rising patient expectations.” King’s Fund chief executive Niall Dickson chimed in that, rather than doing more with less resources, “Doing less with less seems a more realistic scenario.”
The Royal euthanasia program was introduced as a pilot project in 2003 and 2004 by Simon Stevens, Blair’s chief adviser on health policy from 2001 to 2004. In 2007, Stevens went to the United States to spread the euthanasia project there. Stevens became vice president of Minnesota-based UnitedHealth, the massive private health insurance company for the U.S. and Britain. Stevens’ official job is to advise all private health insurers to get behind the new agenda for health-care reform.
Continuing as a trustee of the King’s Fund for Prince Charles in London, Simon Stevens connects President Obama with the London-Wall Street axis, for implementation of the urgent cost cutting strategy in the face of financial catastrophe.
Interesting. Good to meet you.
Let us not be confused with stories such as this. The only reference found to the royal euthanasia program is published on Lyndon Larouche’s website: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11722.
Another related article is at http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11454. It is pretty well established that Lyndon Larouche is behind the “nazi” connection of the Obama health care plan. We should in no way connect the Tea Party program with this radical.
I haven’t been able to contact my friend who works at the Target Center find out more about Pres. Obama’s visit. That is not surprising considering the security problems involved in a presidential visit. The best thing we can do is show up to exercise our Constitutionally protected, G*D given right, of free speech. The more people the better!
Mark, I believe that on Saturdays the parking meters are free. Parking will be a problem. The roads into the area might also be closed so plan on extra travel time. Because of security concerns the closest parking might be several blocks away. So plan on walking maybe as much as half a mile. No one ever said that the defense of liberty would be easy.
Thank you, Bryan!! I may not be there at 7:00 AM, but I’ll be there!
There is, I believe, a possiblity that attempts will be made to prevent us from getting into the Target Center. Should that happen civility is the way to behave. With the hostile media of the Twin Cities anything and everything we do will be used against us and a presidential visit will bring the media out in large numbers!
Sorry, Bryan. I don’t know how to use Facebook.
We really need a good showing for this Secret visit on Sat at the TArget center; I will be there!
Currently the plan is to meet across the street from the Target Center, on Block E by the Starbucks, from 7 AM. There is a Facebook event for this gathering. Check my FB page to find it.
Is there any nearby, low-cost parking around there?
So we just need to show up with our signs and be prepared to show our vehement opposition to Obamacare, right? I’ll be there!
I spoke with a friend of mine who works at the Target Center. I will get more information about Pres. Obama’s visit tonight and will relay what I learn in a post tomorrow.
There is a gathering being planned for Saturday the 12th at the Target Center starting at 9 AM and going until noon.
(Why is my 2nd post not showing? I’ll try this again.) I agree. What is going on HERE on Saturday while obama is in town? I doubt everyone is able to go to DC.
Whups. Let’s get this at the top. What is going on HERE on Saturday while obama is in town?
President Obama will be at the Target Center this Saturday. Is there any plans for showing opposition to his Healthcare Plan by protesting at the event?
Showing opposition…??? Well let me think of the ways… I guess that decision would hinge on whether Nancy and Barney are going to be there or not
May as well get all them into the same place at the same time…. if ya know what I mean… Lets face it kids, We ARE being taken over the cliff, and we have been back peddling, kicking and screaming all the way… however, soon we will be hanging by our fingernails. Ben Franklin said something along the lines of, we must all hang together… or we will will hang separately.
The only way to stop these guys is to start promoting a better solution instead of only attacking their plan.
If we modeled health insurance after our successful car insurance model by breaking up state monopolies, competition will:
1) Lower Costs
2) Improve Care
3) CREATE JOBS!!!
4) Not cost a Trillion, Billion, or even a Million to implement, just a simple piece of legislation that removes the obstructive regulation to interstate commerce in health insurance.
In the speech, it was said “without competition, you get monopolies” use these words to our advantage!
Yes! What’s happening HERE on the 12th when obama is in town?
Tech High? The Michelle Bachman info has all said Lake George. Is this a change?
Michelle is having a townhall meeting @ Tech from 8:30 until 10. She will then be at the Tea Party from 10:30 until 1 @ Lake George
#Healthcare Town Hall Michelle Bachman(R) Sat Sept 12, 09 830a-10a Tech High School gym 233 12th Ave S, St Cloud MN #teaparty #tcot #tpp #gop
September 4, 2009 (LPAC)—The following letter to the editor of the Daily Telegraph is merely the latest, most explosive exposure of the Nazi health policy implemented in Britain under Tony Blair and his health adviser, Simon Stevens, who is now working with United Health in collaboration with AARP. The report by the Patients’ Association referred to in the letter, exposed that one million NHS patients received cruel or neglectful care. Another recent report, by the National Patient Safety Agency (NPSA), estimates that the number of NHS patients who have been given the wrong medicine has doubled in the last two years. A further report indicates that a third of patients are being treated by nurses rather than doctors at General Practitioner surgeries.
This is the policy which Obama is desperately attempting to impose on the population of the United States of America.
Here is the evidence of what is in store for Americans if Obama were to succeed. You decide who is the Nazi.
“SIR The Patients Association has done well to expose the poor treatment of elderly patients in some parts of the NHS (report, August 27). We would like to draw attention to the new gold standard treatment of those categorised as dying. Forecasting death is an inexact science.
“Just as, in the financial world, so-called algorithmic banking has caused problems by blindly following a computer model, so a similar tick-box approach to the management of death is causing a national crisis in care.
“The Government is rolling out a new treatment pattern of palliative care into hospitals, nursing and residential homes. It is based on experience in a Liverpool hospice. If you tick all the right boxes in the Liverpool Care Pathway, the inevitable outcome of the consequent treatment is death.
“As a result, a nationwide wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients. Syringe drivers are being used to give continuous terminal sedation, without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.
“It is disturbing that in the year 2007-2008, 16.5 per cent of deaths came about after terminal sedation. Experienced doctors know that sometimes, when all but essential drugs are stopped, dying patients get better.” [Emphasis added]
P. H. Millard Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics University of London Dr Anthony Cole Chairman, Medical Ethics Alliance Dr Peter Hargreaves Consultant in Palliative Medicine Dr David Hill Fellow of the Faculty of Anaesthetists of the Royal College of Surgeons Dr Elizabeth Negus Lecturer, Barking University Dowager Lady Salisbury Chairman, Choose Life
Tea Party IN Fergus Falls?
None that I know of, jeffrey jacobs.
There IS one scheduled in Thief River Falls, Sept. 12th. Starting at 5 pm at the fairgrounds on the west edge of town.
email me for more information. kimbarb@gvtel.com
Not long ago I recorded a tribute song titled “The Eagle and The Lady” for all those involved in this effort. It is now on YouTube and available for anyone in the movement that would like to make use of it.
Feel free to use it in any way that is beneficail… I want nothing in return.
Please check it out at:
I thank God there are people like you working so hard to save our country!
This health care bill is merely the latest one. Universal health care has been a goal of the Democrats since 1944. What is being done to stop future health care bills? What is being done to make sure that should HR 3200 be defeated portions of it will not be added to other bills as late night, last minute amendments?
I went to education.org to research how much money our state’s educator’s union has spent on its near ubiquitous advertising. Posted on their homepage was a schedule for union-organized pro-socialized medicine (a.k.a. healthcare reform) rallies. I’ve called Sen. Klobuchar’s office for weeks trying to find out when and where I could see her in person to discuss the so-called healthcare reform, and I was always told nothing was scheduled. Well, it seems Klobuchar met with the teachers union — surprise — on August 27. Pasted below is the union’s scheduled pro-socialized medicine rallies.
Health care reform events planned
Your voice as a union member needs to be heard on health care reform. Plan to attend one of the following events:
Aug. 27, 4:30 p.m. – Health Care for America Now Rally at the offices of U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar and U.S. Rep. Tim Walz, 1134 Seventh St. N.W., Rochester
Aug. 29, 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. – Fargo Health Care Rally at the Fargodome lot
Sept. 1, 6:30 p.m. – Town Hall Send Off for Health Care with state Rep. Erin Murphy, Mt. Zion Synagogue, 1300 Summit Ave., St. Paul
Sept. 2, 6:30-8:30 p.m. – Health Care for America Now! Congressional Send-Off Event, Plymouth Creek Center, 14800 34th Ave. N., Plymouth
Thanks, Wayne, for leaving this notice. I also notice that Betty McCollum’s meeting of last night was publicized for union members but no notice for the rest of her constituents. I plan to be at the meeting at Mt. Zion Synagogue this evening. Bill.
Is it no wonder that they don’t want to hear from those of us who are tired of paying for some of those gov’t/union benefits that many of the rest of us had to give up. This bunch has shown their hand as of last fall, bailing out the U.A.W. that had sunken the mighty GM… and Chrysler. Forced to make deals with the devil, (UAW) they can longer compete in the car market due to these mob style contracts forced on them by greedy union bosses. They should have been left to die on a Friday and have all the ‘former’ employees re-apply for their jobs on Monday, they could have shed all the legacy programs that had killed them. Applicants would have had a choice to make with a realistic wage, health care, retirement package… take it or leave it. A large part of the American work force is spoiled rotten.
I noticed someone posted about BRING HOME on this site and I wanted to follow up with a recent video we finished that explains the idea and the strategy and how it relates to health care:
“HELP MY MOM”
URL link:
EMBED CODE:
Liberal Media Freakout at the demise of Obamacare. Follow the links to the New York Times article which defends the National Socialist Doctor Ezekiel “Easy Kill” Emanuel, chief health advisor to Obama, and brother of chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. Here is what he really said:
An essay published in the Hastings Center Report (Nov-Dec 1996) by Emanuel, Norman Daniels and Bruce Jennings, says in part:
“This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity – those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberation – are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”
Here the liberals defend him. Ask not where a liberal stands; ask where he lies.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/142246/mccaughey,_bachmann,_palin,_larouche_–_this_is_your_gop,_redux/
http://minnesotaindependent.com/42783/bachmann-democrats-are-calling-obama-a-nazi
Here is how we can stop HR 3200 and any all future health care bills AND reduce the size of our government.
A BILL TO REPEAL THE 1943 CURRENT PAYMENT TAX ACT (CPTA)
The definition of taxes withheld for the purposes of this bill; Any money deducted from an employee’s, self employed person’s, or independent contractor’s pay to fund any and all activities of the Federal government.
This bill is to stop the automatic withholding of all Federal taxes, primarily but not limited to income and FICA taxes, from being paid before the person who earns that income gets paid. Therefore the automatic withholding of all taxes from a person’s pay, whether as an employee, self employed, or independent contractor shall cease six months after the effective date of this bill.
The payment of taxes will be done once a year with the date of said payment moved from the 15th of April to the 15th of October. To insure the payment of all taxes owed the money that had been deducted is to be put in a savings account, the interest on which shall be tax free, and paid by personal check, cashier’s check, or money order.
When we deny Uncle Sam the right to get paid before we do, which is what happens with the automatic withholding of taxes by the 1943 CPTA, our government grows. The reason for the change of when taxes are due, from April 15th to October 15th, is that election day is about three weeks later. When you pay your taxes and then three later vote on who will represent you in Congress just might have an effect on how you vote. It might even have an effect on what our members of Congress do.
Tea Party assignment: get a copy of the VA booklet :
Last year, bureaucrats at the VA’s National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, “Your Life, Your Choices.” It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA’s preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated “Your Life, Your Choices.”
It was written by euthanasia assisted suicide Dr. Robert Pearlman, and references the Hemlock Society in the end of the book for more information. Chris Wallace interviewed the Doctor who exposed the booklet yesterday on Fox news, and gave the VA rep a hard time to explain all this.
Remember where all this death panel stuff comes from: Wall Street wants to cut Medicare by $1 trillion dollars. Their agents are Peter Orzag and Larry Summers in the Obamination.
Glenn, here is a link to a .pdf copy of “Your Life, Your Choice”. The Chris Wallace interview involving Tammy Duckworth was a classic.
http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf
Here is what I posted on twitter.com in re Amy Klobuchar tele-town hall propaganda events
Updated Twitter, Myspace, Bebo, Linkedin, Brightkite and Plurk today at 19:25.
I am currently on the teleconference town hall with MN Senator Amy Klobuchar. Sounds like a lot of softball question but a couple tough one
Updated Twitter, Myspace, Bebo, Linkedin, Brightkite and Plurk today at 19:25.
RE Klobuchar tele-town hall – I wasn’t rung in until 24 minutes before end, then had to *3 to ask question, obviously at bottom of of que
Updated Twitter, Myspace, Bebo, Linkedin, Brightkite and Plurk today at 19:25.
RE MN Sen Klobuchar tele-townhall: Sounds like Obama in full retreat,She said Senate bill not like House Bill & sounded like a free marketer
Updated Twitter, Myspace, Bebo, Linkedin, Brightkite and Plurk today at 19:25.
Perhaps time right to suggest Obama drop Government power grab bill & fix free market health care deficits re insurance, tort & safety net
Respectfully,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Amy Klobuchar’s ‘fake’ Tele – Town Hall
I signed up to be on Amy Klobuchar’s tele-town hall tonight. Got the confirmation email, even got the complementary reminder phone call Friday night. What didn’t I get? I didn’t get the call to join the tele-town hall call.
Surprise!
Her website gave a number to call by 7:10, if you hadn’t received the call by then. Called it and, Yeah. No answer and mail box is full.
Surprise!
She will probably be talking this one up, how she reached out to her constituents and all. I suspect she only called registered Democrats, Union sheeple and Move On members….
Still not supporting the Health Care Bill, and want Washington to answer how they can say we can keep our coverage, when section 102 states the opposite..
Ellen
ENTRY IN JOHN ADAMS’ DIARY, December 17, 1773 � day after the Boston Tea Party
There is a Dignity, a Majesty, a Sublimity, in this last Effort of the Patriots, that I greatly admire. The People should never rise, without doing something to be remembered � something notable and striking. This Destruction of the Tea is so bold, so daring, so firm, intrepid, and inflexible, and it must have important Consequences, and so lasting, that I can’t but consider it as an Epocha in History.
Footnote: the Boston Tea Party, dressed as Mohawk Indians, dumped the Tea of the British East India Company, which carried a monopoly of trade for the British Empire; the same colonial empire still exists in the modern form of the Anglo-American London-Wall Street financial axis of evil.
I am looking for people who are interested in chartering a bus or buses to make the trip to DC on September 12. I have secured information on charters, and if anyone is interested, we can put together the periphery pretty quickly. Contact me at lmc7383@gmail.com
Rise like Lions after slumber
in unvanquishable number –
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many – they are few.
Percy Bysshe Shelley
see: http://www.ukcolumn.org/
100,000 circulation newspaper in United Kingdom against British National Health System (NICE)
Of course she won’t go face to face… she’s scared we will be in her face!!! Isn’t this the same ‘cradle to graver’ that voted to ban toys with lead in them… small snowmobiles, ATV’s and mini bikes… cuz’ kids might eat he brake cable for lunch, or the gear case side cover for a midnight snack… she needs quick replacement and all bills this bunch of clowns has passed to be repealed ASAP!
Wildman
Wildman, I’m really hoping you and Toni sign-up for the tele-town hall. I always enjoy your posts, and we need to make our voices heard, respectively, of course.
I’m all signed up! I doubt she will let me ask a question though! I did list my questions for the Obamacare Conference today… Did not get the invite nor the link!
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Time-critical announcement: Sen. Klobuchar is holding a tele-town hall at 7 PM Sunday, August 23, 2009. To participate, you must sign up by noon, Friday, August 21 — TOMORROW — at her website (http://klobuchar.senate.gov/index.cfm). Staff at her Minneapolis office informed me Klobuchar has not planned any face-to-face town hall meetings for the summer, so this may be the only chance anyone has to voice their opinions to her directly (time permitting).
When it comes to vote on Pres. Obama’s health care plan every (real) Republican member of Congress should get up and walk out of the House and Senate. Let the Democrats pass this bill all by themselves! Who knows a walkout by the Republicans could scare the Democrats that don’t like this bill into voting against it despite the arm twisting that the Obama administration has done.
I said the same thing on election night… jes’ let them have it all and take us down as fast as they can… ‘we the people’ can come along later and clean up the mess. It is the only way spoiled americans learn lessons, however, with many of us invading congressional offices every week, there are a few cracks in the dam. I wish we didn’t have to go down this ugly road, but it’s time to show these people for what they are. The Barney Franks and Kieth Ellisons of the world are so entrenched in the ways of DC, they have no clue to the world the rest of us live in.
Excellent summary and analysis of Obama’s Health Care Deform on Patriot Politics. http://www.patriotpolitics.com
Nazi Health Care Blowback Now Has Obama’s Cap-and-Trade on the Rocks
August 18, 2009 (LPAC)—Four Democratic Senators from Plains States wrote to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Aug. 14 saying they oppose passing the Obama White House’s cap-and-trade legislation. The so-called Waxman-Markey green-fascist “global warming carbon tax” bill passed the House earlier this year, but with a popular mass strike in motion against Obama’s policies, the defection of the four Senators—Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan (N.D.)—appears to mean it can’t pass the Senate.
The Senators propose instead passing a bill merely encouraging wind, solar, etc. without the carbon tax, the “cap-and-trade.” But they’re really being pushed by the uprising against Obama. Lincoln, in two weeks, has gone from echoing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that the town hall protests were “un-American,” to saying the health-care “reform” should be slowed down, this is the message of her constituents.
LPAC confirmed today that 75 Members of the House of Representatives opposed the Obama White House’s “IMAC” idea for an appointed national health-care board with independent and automatic power to cut or eliminate tests, drugs, procedures, and medical care generally to seniors, poor, and disabled people. The bipartisan group of 45 Democrats and 30 Republicans “closed” gathering signatures on their letter on July 31 when Congress recessed, and could clearly gather more opposition now (see LPAC Breaking News of Aug. 14).
The letter initiated by Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.) was to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, demanding she not propose to put this IMAC, “or any like proposal, in HR 3200 or any other legislation,” as Obama and OMB Director Peter Orszag unconditionally demand.
Lyndon LaRouche has called this IMAC Obama’s copy of Hitler’s “Tiergarten 4″ euthanasia policy (1939 – 1941) , a charge now linked to LaRouche’s name in town meetings all over the United States, and in media all over the world.
The signers of the Neal letter are both liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans, with particularly strong representation from New York, California, and Massachusetts.
Senator Klobuchar is in hiding! I have called her office several times, checked varies websites and sent her e-mails on when and where she will be on her “20 county” visit. Her staff claims that they can only release that information 1-2 days in advance and they are not allowed to release which counties she will visit. Here’s part of the
e-mail I received from Klobuchar’s office, “One of the most important parts of my job is listening to what the people of Minnesota have to say to me.” Step up Senator Klobuchar, let the people of Minnesota ask you questions and express their concerns at open town hall meetings!
Sherry
Does anyone know if there will be a booth at the Mn State Fair for us?? I think it would be a great time to gather some additional support.
This article is a must read.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/beware_the_counterrevolution.html
PL -
Thanks for recommending Andrew Thomas’s article (Beware the Counterrevolution; @ http://www.americanthinker.com). Among other thoughtful points, Thomas warns against complacency, writing that ‘…the struggle between liberty and socialism will never end, at least not in our lifetimes. If by chance it does, it will be because evil has triumphed. As long as people are free to make their own choices, some of those choices will always be for self-destruction or slavery (moral masochism). That is just the nature of human beings. However, once the slavery of socialism is self-imposed through trickery or stealth, there are no more choices. That is the weakness of a free people.’
Wayne
The American College of Surgeons, with more than 74,000 members, issued a blistering statement on Aug. 12, blasting President Obama for his statements claiming that surgeons perform many surgeries unnecessarily, just for the money.
The Surgeons’ statement cited Obama’s comments in the Portsmouth, NH town meeting the previous day, that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation; they charge that the President “got his facts completely wrong…in fact, Medicare only pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation.”
“Three weeks ago,” they continue, “the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
“The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients,” they conclude. “We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.”
Does anyone know when and where Amy Klobuchar will be? Like Toni and others, I can’t get a straight answer from her staff.
Thanks,
Wayne
Rep. Collin Peterson will be holding a town hall meeting Fri 8/14 from 2:00 – 3:30 in Willmar at the Health & Human Services Bldg in the multi-purpose room.
Peterson is also holding a town hall in Bemidji, on Monday the 17th at 1pm.
Though advertised in places as Town Hall meetings, apparently both are Round Table meetings with speaker(s?) and Question/Answer sessions. Both are open to the public.
Barb
Tired of hearing about how St. Paul and Washington has wasted your money? Here’s a way to stop a BILLION dollars of MN taxpayers money from being wasted on a new light rail. For all those who still think $1 billion is a lot of money voice your opinion at one of the up coming Open Houses.
Getting Educated:
http://www.startribune.com/local/south/52921492.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
http://www.southwesttransitway.org/
Attend a Southwest Transitway Open House!
Attend an open house to learn about the proposed Southwest Light Rail Project!
Tuesday, August 11 6:30 to 8:00 PM
Station Area Planning Presentation at 7:00 PM
Hopkins City Hall
1010 1st Street S. Hopkins, MN 55343 map
Thursday, August 13 11:30 AM to 1:00 PM
Downtown Minneapolis Library
300 Nicollet Mall Minneapolis, MN 55401 map
Thursday, August 13 6:30 to 8:00 PM
Station Area Planning Presentation at 7:00 PM
Marriott Southwest Hotel in Minnetonka
5801 Opus Parkway Minnetonka, MN 55343 map
Tuesday, August 18 6:30 to 8:00 PM
Station Area Planning Presentation at 7:00 PM
St. Louis Park City Hall
5005 Minnetonka Blvd. St. Louis Park, MN 55416 map
Wednesday, August 19 6:30 to 8:00 PM
Station Area Planning Presentation at 7:00 PM
Eden Prairie City Hall
8080 Mitchell Road Eden Prairie, MN 55344 map
Thursday, September 17 6:30 PM
Southwest Policy Advisory Committee Public Hearing
Eisenhower Community Center
1001 Highway 7 Hopkins, MN 55305 map
All Tea Baggers…
Check out this article:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4451/teabags_vs._douchebags/
Straight from the Alinski (poor coping skill) handbook… The fact that you associate yourself with such terms is evidence of your values or lack there of…
The people who use the terms “tea baggers” and “tea bagging” describe themselves well.
My label for you is miss-informed, indoctrinated, or operative.
Alan, come on my show! Don’t be a hit and runner!
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It was a great show!! Alan came on and we had several callers from coast to coast and here is the result:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/SocialistSquirrel/2009/08/15/Tea-Time-with-Toni-No-Bologny
To Alan L. Maki –
OK. I read David Sirota’s opinion piece entitled ‘Teabags Vs Douchebags’, the article you wanted subscribers to this site to read. Well. I gave the article an honest read. It’s cleverly written by a guy who clearly fancies himself an intellectual, but who doesn’t possess the intellectual wattage to convince earnest readers he’s anything but a charlatan, a mountebank. His rambling and historically inaccurate message seems to hector Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress to ‘stop spending their time ridiculing’ the tea party movement and quickly force their agenda through Congress before the economy improves, and they lose the opportunity our current economic downturn has given them to foist their agenda on an unwilling citizenry. But Rahm Emanuel already stated the rallying cry for this administration and its supine Congress: ‘Never let a crisis go to waste.’
I’ll assume you agree with the opinions Sirota wrongly asserts as facts in his piece, after all, you referenced the article. Sirota claims the tea party phenomenon is another right-wing conspiracy, funded and ‘organized by corporate lobbyists and backed by the same moneyed Republican douchebags that drove the economy into the ground.’
Judging by Sirota’s carefully crafted version of American history, an inaccurate version intended to distort reality, Sirota must be referring to himself, to his own bias, when he claims that ‘the truth doesn’t really matter.’ How else can a careful reader interpret the many historical facts he twists and the salient facts he neglects to mention — let’s call them inconvenient truths. Truths such as: (1) Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004; therefore, Obama was a US senator for the entire second term of George W. Bush’s presidency. (2) neither Democrats nor Republicans controlled the Senate after the 2006 election; Republicans and Democrats each held 49 seats. Two seats were held by Independents. And Joseph Lieberman — a Democrat from 1988 until the 2006 election, and the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 — held one of the two Independent seats. (3) also, after the 2006 election, Democrats controlled the House of Representatives, where all bills originate, where taxes are levied, and where money is allocated. Sirota also neglects to mention the Democrat’s roll in the mortgage crisis, the crisis blamed for bringing the entire economy down. While Obama was accepting campaign donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Barney Frank was excoriating critics of those institutions, the institutions backing the no-money-down, no-risk mortgages being issued by the very banks he is now vilifying. Enough history? OK, let me explain my take on the tea party phenomenon.
In short, the tea party phenomenon is a spontaneous rejection by a vast number of Americans to what is happening in Washington DC. I suspect I’m like many participants in this phenomenon: I have never been politically active, but I recognize a single, undeniable fact: the fundamental nature of this country is under threat. The Obama Administration and this Congress have brought things to a head, but make no mistake, the Republicans are equally to blame for the state of affairs. Obama’s rhetoric does not mesmerize us, we see him for the socialist that he is. The Democrats have shown themselves to be untrustworthy stewards of our Constitution, our freedoms and liberties, and our capitalist system, a system that has raised more people from poverty than any other economic system in history. We reject socialism, not because we are ignorant of it, but because we know it for what it is — a false utopia. Obama and Congress can veil socialism behind beautiful, enticing rhetoric, but we are not fooled. Republicans have proven themselves to be untrustworthy stewards as well, but that fight is for another day. The immediate threat is from this administration and this Congress.
I’ve been to only one Tea Party event, the one at the Capitol Building in St. Paul Minnesota. And the vast majority of people I met there, and many others I’ve met online, are not the radicals our opponents would like us to be, the radicals our opponents claim that we are. You are likely to find radicals among us because this movement has drawn many thousands of people. The radicals do not speak for me; they don’t speak for any of the people in this movement that I’ve met.
I strongly suspect there are many things that you (Alan) and I disagree on. And I’m certain there are many things that the many thousands of other people who have found common cause in the tea party movement and I would disagree on — it cannot be otherwise, for we are all individuals with our own worldviews that have been shaped by our direct experience of life.
Seek your own truth, Alan.
With respect,
Wayne
Here is the response I’ve received from Oberstar – a letter telling me that he’s got all of the answers, and my health care will be great under Obamaplan. He also says he won’t be meeting with many of us to discuss his ideas:
Dear Ms.___________ :
I appreciate your sharing with me your thoughts regarding health insurance reform legislation.
Currently, there are 46 million Americans without health insurance and health care costs are spiraling out of control. In this climate, it is clear that something must be done to reform the health care status quo.
For over two years, Congress has been laying the groundwork for health care reform. Since February 2007, House committees have held over 80 bipartisan hearings to thoroughly explore this complex issue. On July 14, 2009, the chairmen of the three committees with jurisdiction over health policy in the House of Representatives introduced America’s Affordable Health Choices Act (H.R. 3200), comprehensive health insurance reform legislation. On July 17, both the Education and Labor Committee and the Ways and Means Committee approved H.R. 3200, followed by the Energy and Commerce Committee on July 31. Before the House of Representatives votes on health care reform legislation, the three House committees will work to reconcile their versions in order to produce a unified bill. You can view more information at these links:
. House Education and Labor Committee: http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/07/house-democrats-expose-campaig.shtml#more
. House Energy and Commerce Committee: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1687&catid=156&Itemid=55
. House Ways and Means Committee: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/MoreInfo.asp?section=52
As health insurance reform directly touches every American, it is imperative that we get this right. Because of the strong interest in health care legislation, I want to make sure that every constituent has the opportunity to share his or her views with me. Given the size of my district and my inability to hold enough public meetings to satisfy the demand, I believe the best way for constituents to provide essential input on health care is to write directly to me. I encourage you to respond to my invitation to go to my website (http://www.oberstar.house.gov/) and select the health care icon on the right hand side of the page where I provide an opportunity for you to share your comments, concerns and insights regarding health insurance reform legislation.
You can read the text of H.R. 3200, like I have, by utilizing the Library of Congress’s legislative information website: http://thomas.loc.gov/. Simply type “H.R. 3200″ into the search box, select bill number and click “search.” This will pull up the legislative history of H.R. 3200 and also allow you to access the text of the legislation.
I want to be clear that H.R. 3200 has undergone many changes since it was introduced in July, and many of the concerns regarding this important legislation have been addressed, including amendments to prevent the use of “comparative effectiveness” research methodologies as a basis for denial of benefits and an amendment that excludes illegal immigrants from receiving any benefits in the legislation. It is also very likely that additional changes will be made before the House of Representatives votes on this legislation in September. This year, I have met with many constituents in Minnesota and Washington regarding health care reform, and I recently participated in a 5-hour presentation of the health care legislation where we reviewed the legislation in its entirety.
It is important to note that H.R. 3200 will increase choice among an array of private and public insurance options. Most importantly, if you like the insurance that you have, you can keep it. Opponents of health care reform are spreading a number of myths, among them that health reform means fewer choices and that individuals will be forced out of their current plans. If an individual likes his or her current plan, he or she will be able to keep it. Consistent with President Obama’s goals, the legislation builds on what works in the current health care system by strengthening employer-provided care, while fixing what is broken with it. The legislation ensures that individuals will not have to worry about being denied insurance based on a pre-existing condition, or being without coverage if their employers drops coverage, if they lose their job, or if they change employers.
H.R. 3200 is budget-neutral and is financed by achieving significant efficiencies and savings in Medicare and Medicaid and through a surcharge on the wealthiest 1.2 percent of Americans. The legislation ensures that middle-class Americans will see no tax increases. Furthermore, the Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated that only 4.1 percent of all small business owners would be affected by the health care surcharge.
There has been much misinformation surrounding the advance care planning and end of life care consultation provision in H.R. 3200. Claims by some groups that advance care planning consultations include “euthanasia” and are “mandatory every five years” and would be required to “recommend a method for death” are blatantly false. This provision would provide coverage under Medicare for people to talk to their doctor about their care preferences at the end of life. This would not only ensure that patient wishes are known and respected, it would ensure that families are not confronted with these difficult decisions until emergency situations arise, leaving them unprepared because they do not know their loved ones’ preferences. I have personal experience with this issue: after a heroic eight-year fight with breast cancer, my wife, Jo, died of this devastating disease. I am offended by this misinformation campaign and fully believe that these deeply personal decisions do not need to happen in times of crisis.
Another myth is that members of Congress get free or low-cost, high quality health care plans. This is false. As a member of Congress, I pay the same premiums, get the same benefits, and get the same choices as other federal employees, and there are many Americans that have better health benefits in the private sector.
There will continue to be much discussion and debate as we work to build consensus on this critical issue. I am hopeful that opponents of health care reform will offer input on this issue as opposed to circulating myths. At present, I believe that the House health insurance reform bill needs to be improved to ensure that Minnesota health care providers are not adversely impacted by the creation of a public plan option; I believe that additional improvements should be added to improve rural health care, and it is imperative that the legislation not authorize the use of taxpayer dollars to cover abortion. I plan to spend significant time in August evaluating the input that I receive from constituents; reviewing the legislative changes that have been made and making recommendations for further improvement.
With best wishes.
Sincerely,
James L. Oberstar, M.C.
JLO/jjr
Carrie, we had eight people at “Overspenders” office last week. His office staff started yelling and swearing at one of the retired guys in the conference room and I had to get both of them to settle down. But Kenny, the “office staff” only spews talking points and info that is fed to him through D.C., it is humorous. We did work him over quite well and some common ground was found… fraud in medicare and billing processes… that was about all tho’. The numbers and other “stats” he tried to cram down us were not factual. Lets keep up the pressure… and turn it up a notch as the summer wears on… if we start heckling these tyrants in the grocery stores and Fleet Farm, maybe they will… quit? Or, maybe not… I am not opposed to tarring and feathering
Thank you for sharing that!
They are getting the same from Tim Walz. They asked him 20 specific questions and they repeatedly get stonewalled. Then his office comes back with “they are too bias”. Well now they are in the business of telling us how to formulate our questions? Hmmmmm… I have an idea? Answer the question! Cowards!
Amy Klobuchars voice mail is full (Mpls) and DC says to check the papers, TV, and radio stations… I said “no, I will call back, when will be a good time?” with a whine and a whimper… Greg said “I don’t know her schedule, I just answer the phones”
No Town Halls being publicized.
North Branch, Minnesota September Tea Party Picnic scheduled for Sunday September 20th @ 12:00 Noon to 4:00 PM in Central Park, Main street, downtown North Branch. Serving Coney Island Chili Dogs, Soda’s etc. Bring along all who want to RENEW, not REMAKE! the Constitution of this Republic the United States of America. Headline speaker- Sue Jeffers, then Patroits its another open mic in North Branch, come one come all.
Contact: Peter Schaps- 612-875-2777 “Old North Church” Tea Party, Common Sense Conservatives of Chisago County
I would think a way of getting our message to the govt. should include opportunities at the st fair. Is there a way to tweet others who may be at the fair to go to a specific booth when visits from representatives happen. I’ve never participated in a twitter but would be willing to learn for this
Terry,
What a great idea!
We have talked about having groups of people be at every live broadcast there is, or at least the ones that count.
What a wonderful impact that would have!
Hello!
For those of us from around the nation who cannot make to to DC on Sept. 12, what do you suggest? Please consider the following:
-organizing protests at Federal government offices; major intersections in our towns and cities
-phoning our U.S. Senators and House reps. all day
-leaving work at a specific hour that day (lunch) and meeting up with like-minded folks for as much time as one can spare at a gvt. office, major intersection, etc.
-Howard Beale: go to your window, open it up and yell “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
-other?
-all of the above!
What would be the most effective use of our time that day?
Thank you
Might I suggest spending an hour to go promote tea party sites on the internet using Digg.com, Mixx.com, stumbleupon.com, delicious.com, reddit.com, propeller.com, etc.
Or go to lunch and speak to people you would not normally converse with.
We need to win converts…. less preaching to the choir….
those were my thoughts.
Respectfully,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
Concerning tea parties and Obama birth cert. and the dismiss of court actions toward Obama birth records and other records of interest. The tea parties might consider tea parting around the senators and congressman and judges officess and other important, places, stand by there doors and do your thing and other locations to get there attention. Bugging them will do some thinking and make it loud and clear that apposed to court hearing pertaining to investagation of the following. This might get them to think on what they are doing to this country unjustice. The choice is up to the tea parties. Give it some thought.
Robert –
I respect your freedom to question Obama’s birthplace; i.e. if Obama was not born in the United States then he is not eligible to become president. But make no mistake — this is a dead issue, an issue that must be left to die on the vine. The election is over, and Obama is our president. What’s done is done, and anyone who continues to question Obama’s birthplace will rightly be marginalized, consigned to the fringes of responsible political debate. To take up that cause is to invite ridicule and to discredit yourself and whatever group with which you are associated. The tea party movement must remain focused on its fight for capitalism, for free trade, for common sense regulation, and against socialism and the ever-expanding powers of the federal government. The surest way for the tea party movement to make itself irrelevant is to embrace the conspiracy theorists who question Obama’s birthplace and his eligibility to be president of the United States. The tea party movement can make sober, reasoned arguments on behalf of the cause of freedom and liberty, or it can join the conspiracy theorists — it cannot do both.
With respect,
Wayne
Dist. 7 rep. Collin Peterson says: I don’t talk to my constituents because they’re nuts.
Read the article at: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/27/peterson-i-dont-talk-to-my-constituents-because-theyre-nuts/comment-page-1/#comments
Lets get this parasite out of office NOW!!! I’ll show him just how bitter and clinging I am!!!
Well, that’s better than Jim Overspender in the 8th district, he listens to none of us… whether we are nuts or not… but since he lives in Maryland, he has no worries about meeting up with us in Fleet Farm or Cub and having to face reality. If I can find jes’ a bit of support, I will parade around the iron range, Brainerd lakes area and all points in between to unseat the lieing, stealing, deceiving b*stard!
There were only 5 of us that showed up at Peterson’s office in Red Lake Falls, his staff was nice and took notes over our concerns and we left letters of protest also. His staff also gave us the press release he has written up to supposedly defend his voting ‘yes’ on cap and tax, which she gave us each a copy.
My daughter stood on Hwy 32 with her sign and received many thumbs up and honks, her sign read: Keep Government out of healthcare.
There is a Tea Party in East Grand Forks today at 3pm if anyone is in the area.
RULES FOR TEA PARTY RADICALS
ELECTION JUDGES – For the moment, we are intent upon bringing political change through lawful political discourse. But what if they elections are dishonest?
Proof of voter fraud in the USA – from the horse’s mouth http://bit.ly/DZYkT
MAY I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO APPLY NOW TO BE ELECTION JUDGES SO IF WE ARE ABLE TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF AMERICA, THE POWERS THAT BE CANNOT SUBVERT OUR HARD WORK AND STEAL THE ELECTION. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!
Respectfully,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
FOR A EXPLANATION OF WHAT RULES FOR TEA PARTY RADICALS MEANS PLEASE GO HERE –
http://www.reteaparty.com/groups/rules-for-tea-party-radicals
We had 10 of us out there in front of Keith Ellison’s office (The Urban League Building) Penn and Plymouth in North Minneapolis. Thanks to everyone who made it out…
Five at the office of Jim Overspender in Brainerd…. office staff arrived at 11:30 AM, we did actually get invited in tho’… Tony Bauer got a bit worked up… but stayed on task. The rest of us jes’ kept hitting the guy with big gov’t crap. Its fun to be abrasive from time to time.
Wildman
Both Bemidji and Thief River falls had Tea Parties, Bemidji twice both had around 350 people, TRF smaller at around 100 but it all counts.
There is another Tea Party in East Grand Forks,MN Sunday 3pm at the park.
Anybody planning a tea party on Sept. 17th or 18th?? Is one of those days constitution day?? Not real sure I have what it takes to put on all the Ben Franklin garb today… but it is cool enough here in Brainerd, for the powdered wig… love that global warming…
The Thief River Falls Area Tea Party Patriots are planning a tea party in September. September 17th is Constitution Day, Wildman. I would rather hold it on a Saturday, my co-planner wants Thursday evening – businesses are open late on Thursdays. We’ve already tried both days and didn’t seem to draw any better numbers. What to do? What to do…but we ARE planning to hold one. No way am I giving up.
Ora, are you planning to go to EGFs?
Barb C.
I will be in Mankato @ Tim Walz. It is time to stop this aggrevation and nonsense. If the Democrats think they can fool us they are wrong, it is making us stronger to fight the fight and we will not give in.
Barb
Nancy Losier Good point!!!!!!!
Everyone should tune in to Glenn beck… today and this whole week and next week… IM not even kidding … on fox news at 4 pm central… He’s hitting the nail on the head over and over and over again!
Listed a “tea party” at Jim Overspenders office in Brainerd on the national site… it didn’t show up… maybe it will get listed on Saturday… who’s running that thing anyway… Al Gore? With the blazing speed of a turtle…
WE THE PEOPLE demand US Reps & Senators relocate to State Capitals =>75% of time in office & Telecommute http://bringhomethepoliticians.com
Don,
I like the concept you have, but how would committee times work? At least your way, they would be spending less and not passing as much bad law, thereby SAVING taxpayer dollars! Good idea. I’m for it!
Sue
I’m in N.Ky. and a Tea Party Patriot here. We are associated with the Cincinnati Tea Party. I have a brother in Blain, Mn. Do you have an active group near there? near there?
Thanks,
Gordon Loomis
Gordy, even tho’ St Paul is a bit of a leftist town, there are tea party’ers in the area. They had a very successful tea party at the capitol recently. You could try sending Toni an e-mail directly and see what she has to say…
Richard Burton
Brainerd
Hi Gordon…
Hey, they are posted on here; hope you have found his site!!
Karen
Hello Sue Bican:
This is not my idea…
This is someone else’s idea that i liked and have been promoting.
Your best answers will come from them.
The Cynical Patriot
Tea Partiers keep on it! We cannot be disuaded my mainstream media and our representatives who are hoping we will “fizzle” out. This country is too important and we have to take it back by moving on. Making sure that 2010 takes out the infection (self-serving congressmembers) and replacing it with a sound sense making body.! I’m keeping in touch and attending whatever, wherever to keep this going.
Well, are we ready to file for office ourselves? I am ready to go after Jim Overspender in the 8th district… are any of you people ready to put your life in limbo to go to D.C. and clean out the sewer? This is where the entire thing has gone wrong, we all jes’ want to “live our lives” and be left alone… but look at what you get for “representation”!!?? When the house is in “session” it looks like the bar scene from the first Star Wars movie! Except for the fact that the space aliens are better looking… there is not much noticeable difference. The senate and the house only need to be in “session” for a few days in the spring and a few days in the fall, most of the monkey business can be done from home with the technology we now have. And the first few days should be spent abolishing most laws, treaties, bailouts that have been passed in the last 20 years, and the next day eliminate all ties to the U.N. and help them pack up that building in New York and ship it all to France!
(This isn’t about you, Wildman, but there are others…) HEY, how about those who skipped voting because they didn’t like Norm Coleman for Minnesota’s Senator? I know people who didn’t vote for any one in that slot. To me this is disgusting! Get your message out before the SELECTION and ENDORSEMENT of some candidate you don’t like, but when they have been given the approval of the majority of our party, you should VOTE for them, because exactly what happened to us, giving us Al FRANKEN STEIN as our Senator, is the end result of such STUPID moves. Who is counting whether you voted or not? Obviously a LOT of people who spent hours and hours trying to get the REAL count done accurately, and we still lost in the courts. All because you were “standing on principle” and didn’t like the RINO that was running. WHY now, I ask?? Coleman won the first time he ran, so some Republicans must have voted for him then. Why, when he was running against a nut-case like Franken, did you abandon your right to vote and the Republican party?? I question the sanity of anyone who did that. YOU ARE A LOSER IF YOU DIDN’T USE YOUR VOTE AGAINST FRANKEN!
Now we are going to learn something the hard way. Won’t this be fun for 6 years? Wake up Minnesota Republicans! If you don’t vote, what right have you to complain about Franken? Please don’t do so in my hearing. Thanks!
Hey everyone – I need your help!!!!
I am working on the Campaign for an American Solution. Feel free to check out our web site too: http://www.americanhealthsolution.org. We are working in MN to organize people that oppose any government-run health care reform. We are engaging individuals, small business owners, and pretty much anyone that is willing to voice their opposition to the current health care reform that is being discussed.
I noticed you guys are working on the Cap and Trade issue, but I am asking for help in organizing supportive groups, like the tea party group, to our plight as well. I need as much help as possible in making a difference and am willing to do all the leg work necessary. The best way people can help our efforts on this project would be in the following ways:
1.) Write a quick letter and email (use the draft language below – either revised or verbatim). Please try and do both an email and letter to all three targets (Klobuchar, Franken and Rep. Peterson) and any other congressional member!
2.) Place a quick phone call to the three congressional targets (Klobuchar, Franken and Rep. Peterson) and any other relaying the message that “We need health care reform, but it shouldn’t include a government-run option.”
3.) Once you have completed the above, please let me know as I’m trying to measure how many times each member is hearing our message. Simply email americansolutionmn@gmail.com
4.) Also, if you are willing to submit a letter to the editor of a local publication, please let me know
Let me know if there are any upcoming events as well.
I hope you can help, and I would appreciate talking in further detail. Either email or call me at (612) 548-8403.
Basic message:
“In this year along the federal government has taken control of major banks, taken a stake in the restructuring of General Motors and Ford, and is setting salary caps on business executives. Now Congress and the President have shifted their focus to health care. I agree that health care reform is necessary. I also agree that something should be done about the spiraling costs of health care reform. However, I do not believe it is a good time for the government to start offering health care policies.
How can the federal government reform 1/6th of the nation’s economy when it cannot control the abuses that occur within Medicare and Medicaid? I understand that the government had to make tough choices when it came to preventing further economic decline. But how much government intervention must occur before it is too much? There must be a line.
Please oppose a public option in a health care reform package. There must be a distinction between private businesses and government policy.”
Thanks for the help.
Mike
I have written letters to both Klobachar and Peterson(Collin) Didn’t waste my time on Franken, hes a zero. Also have called both and emailed NUMEROUS times. Looks to me like they have made up their minds. Klobachar has emailed back and blah,blah,blah. Haven’t heard from Peterson yet. I was to his office in Willmar and I was the only one to show up. Was discouraged about that but went in anyway by myself(I am not a seasoned protestor). Was dealt with courteously by a guy. However, when I called his office to see when he was going to have a town hall meeting, the lady there was abrupt and all but got hung up on. I almost called her back to tell her,you work for Collin, and he works for me. I would like a little more respect please. (but I didn’t)
WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL ON JULY 4TH? WE WERE THERE WHEN IN STARTED TO POUR DOWN. WE HAD TO LEAVE FOR ANOTHER FUNCTION.
I AM WRITING TO LEGISLATORS MORE NOW THAN I EVER HAVE.
Have you ever watched our own legislature in the last few nights of session? It is the most maddening thing to behold… that is a bunch of spoiled babies that we stuck Tim Pawlenty with…shame on us! I don’t know how he kept his cool… I would have lost it! Those “people” argued for hours about the listing of rice meal on dog food labels! Talk about time to abolish the gov’t!!!
Wildman
Instead of reacting to what the liberals do, such as the very important effort to prevent the cap & trade bill from being passed, isn’t time to put the liberals on defense?
Are there any shirts or buttons yet?
I plan to attend the St. Paul Tea Party and start my support.
Thanks
I have received some messages on Facebook from people complaining about my idea to make the 4th of July Tea Party a celebration. Your damn right I want to celebrate our country’s birth, the birth of the idea of an independence and self-government! If ever there was an idea and occasion to celebrate I can think of nothing more worthy of celebration than our country’s birth and our independence. The idea that a group of patriots are getting together to celebrate freedom is the best way to protest against the attacks on our on freedom. For if we do not celebrate, or pay tribute to, the Declaration of Independence then it is already lost and we are no longer free.
Did you receive some whining about the party date or did they want to “crank it up”? And without swift and decisive action… all is lost…but maybe you have not stared reality in the face yet… jes’ askin’…
Wildman
I talked to Collin Peterson Saturday. We had a tea party float in the Granite Falls parade and he was there. Before the parade started, one of our riders, Craig Bishop, spied him so Craig and I talked to him. I asked him why he sold us out and he became very defensive; his excuses were so feeble, so scripted — sickening. I asked him why he would vote yes when we had told him to vote no; the phone calls and emails were 20 to 1 against cap & trade. I asked him how he could do something that will increase energy/fuel prices, thus food, clothing, etc. I was very polite, but stern. His companions didn’t much care for my questioning so it was suddenly time to get in the car to get into the parade route. Well, I’ve written a letter to the editor to explain cap & tax as well as telling everyone here that Collin voted for it. I told him earlier that if he voted yes I would campaign against him. I don’t make idle threats.
It is correct that Collin had the squeeze put on him and his Ag. position was threatened. But this is what you get with absolute power… it corrupts. I could really get in trouble for this… but I am past the point of caring… maybe its time these political hacks are told to stay in DC, cuz’ at home, it’s not safe for them to be out in public. Ask them if they know what revolution looks like up close. We must all understand that the “change” this country needs can no longer be made through the voting booth due to all the little piglets sucking off the pig… they will only vote for the pig. Wish I was tea party-ing with the rest of you, I am firing a fireworks show Friday and Saturday, Randall MN & Maddens at Gull Lake. Having organized and lead a tea party, I saw the thirst for more tea party’s and a quiet revolution.
Wish you all the best on the 4th!
Wildman
I never believed in term limits, but I do now.
I have always believed in term limits – with a twist. For MN house, two consecutive terms only, but after a term break, run again. If you were that popular with the people, you’d win the election and it would break the endless cronyism.
4 year MN congressional terms and 6 years for senate is ludicrous. Something should have changed a long time ago.
Barb
Wildman,
Peterson was on 1100AM with Scott Hennen last Thursday morning. I didn’t get to listen to the entire program, but I heard him say there was no arm twisting or back door deals for his yes vote. (Proof of that is in the same category as someone’s birth certificate!) While admitting his office phone lines were melting, with most in opposition to C&T, he felt his constituents didn’t know enough about the issue. After reading a June 6th report, he changed his vote from a no to a yes. I didn’t catch where that report came from or who wrote it.
He claims the title ‘Representative’, yet he votes against his constituency. We’re planning to have a car in the Pennington Co. fair parade on Thursday July 17th, with a sign that reads, “Collin Peterson sold us out on Cap and Trade!”
Barb
Collin Peterson is my representative in the 7th Dist. It is my understanding that Speaker of the House Pelosi promised trade-offs regarding Agriculture, the committee of which Peterson is chairman.
Peterson is also the congressman who nominated her as Speaker.
He calls himself a Blue-Dog Democrat. He really is a Lap-Dog Democrat.
Barb
Here are the republicans who voted yes on cap and trade: Bono Mack (CA) 202-225-5330, Castle (DE) 4165, Kirk (IL) 4835, Lance (NJ) 5361, Lobiondo (NJ) 6572, McHugh (NY) 4611, Reichart (WA) 7761, Chris Smith (NJ) 3765. Also, Collin Peterson, Democrat MN CD7 voted yes. His number is 202-225-2165. They need to know that they are weasles for ignoring us.
Thanks for the list. I will be writing all of these weasles. How could anyone calling themselves a republican vote for this legislation. I just can’t believe it.
We’ve got another rolling tea party coming up. This one is Saturday June 27th in Granite Falls. Anyone interested in riding on the float, go to the 9th Avenue staging area and look for Unit 107. I’ll check back for any interest.
We’re having a rolling tea party in Montevideo June 21st. We are turning our semi & drop deck trailer into a float for our parade that day. If anyone would like to join us, meet at the Montevideo water tower by noon that day. Bring your signs and flags and have fun!
I found an interesting piece of trivia while reading the book “Samuel Adams” a biography of Mr. Adams. The tax on tea that was the cause for the original Boston Tea Party became law to help the East India Tea Company. The East India Tea Company, a monopoly that was going broke because of smuggling, needed a BAILOUT!
In looking for “What makes America Great” stuff I figured Ronald Reagan would be a good place to start. I couldn’t believe it when I found this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777069922535499977
We need optimism on this thing. Just look at how California repudiated the tax and spend legislature in the recent special election! We’ve got tough times ahead yes, but we are planting the seeds of prosperity and freedom if we stay diligent. I’ve got an idea- we need to think long term, we need to have organized educational seminars, camps, and the like to teach kids the RIGHT way. Kids participate in sports and religious education, why not create an organization that teaches and fosters the American way as our forefathers intended?
Why say ye?
AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH. I am frustrated with the state of our nation, and numb with fear for the future. I wil be there showing my support, but I am sorry to say that I don’t believe my presence or any number of realistic supporters can fix the mess we are in. I hate to doom and gloom people, but there seems to be no light at the end of this tunnel.
D. Russ, I hear ya… have felt for many years that we will be unable to fix this through the voting booth. I fear our only way out is the same way we did starting in1773. Kinda doubt people have the stomach for it tho’… the current administration is banking on it. They know we are now a country of sheep and for the most part will do what “the man” tells them to. Socialism here we come…
Hi Russel, I do belive there will be light at the end of the tunnel, the day the good lord comes and saves us from this
gloom and doom…the end is near Amen..Sonia
Russel,
Keep the faith. We are the only ones that can make change. It might be a tough battle, but we shall overcome. I have never seen such out pouring over this mess. My wife and I will be at the tea party in St. Cloud.
Terry
Do the elected officials forget the Constitution: “We the people”. That it is the people like us that will “… preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
To our elected here is the word that describes what you have done to our great country and its great people. Treason: the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
count me in
We need another Tea Party for the 4th of July. We should boycott all others and show the real support for our independence. Otherwise it is a wasted holiday that means nothing. How can ppl that don’t support freedom and liberty celebrate a holiday that is only there cause others laid their life for it. Mn needs to be 20,000+ strong. We need to spill the streets. You should see seas of ppl to the church seen from the capital. Many feel the same way as us but are too shy to make a move. We must show them all it is worth it. We have to make a difference. It is not just our job to work. It is also our country. WE have to see it stay on target. Freedom is not free. Too many generations have said it was our right and sat at home watching tv, living the dream. The whole while others started pulling strings for their goals. Now we have to fight for all of those generations and those to come.
We need to be talking to everyone. We need to know our neighbors. We need to know ours streets again. Don’t forget our morals, our prides, our families, our friends. WE have to be different than those that repeat slogans. We must be the slogan! No yes men here. We are the ones that make this country tick.
PLEASE GO VOTE ON THIS POLL
The Fairmont Sentinel Newspaper of Fairmont, MN is conducting an online poll. The question is: What did you think of the Tea Parties? Great expression of individual liberty No big deal Right-wing nut parties
Here are the results thus far:
Great expression of individual liberty 53%
No big deal 27%
Right-wing nut parties 20%
http://fairmontsentinel.com/
The silent majority is starting to wake up!! However, any movement that spawns from this will be fruitless unless we couple it with a push for congressional term limits.
Short of a “Separation of Economics and State”, it’s the best and only solution.
http://www.vote4theotherguy.com/
Tim Jerhoff
South Saint Paul, MN
I agree that Term Limits are the only responsible way to control our congress. The only Difference in the Republicans and the Democrats is speed not direction. Both parties are moving toward socialism. We have an increasing number of people feeding at the government trouph. We are dangerously close to having more people feeding than supplying the feed.
Everyone try to bring their friends and family to the July 4th Tea Party. Lets make the crowd so large and load they can’t dismiss us.
Randy Liebo
Can we get Glenn Beck to come speak on May 2?!? How awesome would that be!
In light of the negative media coverage (that we all knew was coming) I would just like to say, the harder they try to cover the flame, the hotter it burns!!! Lets keep it going!!
I have rarely felt more pride in my country then when it was my privilege to be a small part of the great Tea Party in St. Paul!
“Men fight for freedom, then they begin to accumulate laws to take it away from themselves.”
It is time to start to get rid of the laws that take away our freedom.
Here-here for getting rid of some laws… those people know no end… I am with you all the way on that one!
Me too! Thank you Bryan!
I say congratulations to all that turned out for these rallies! It amazed me at the tone of the rally in St. Paul. The crowd was intense with the statement they were there to convey, but peaceful and polite and supportive of each other. At the end of the rally there wasn’t as much as a piece of paper left behind. The respect for each other and for the property at the Capital was awesome. Compare that to the left wing radicals that were at the RNC who destoyed property , intimidated people, with their threats, and required hundreds of police to try to keep the peace.
Thats the difference between conservative people and left wing radicals. Yet we are the ones, along with our brave veterans that are being called possible terrorists!……………..Our leaders in Washington are frightened of this movement. THAT is what the truth is. God bless all those who could attend and all those who wish they could have.
I was there yesterday, also as a first-time political rally attendee. Gray-haired granny age to boot.
Exciting! Fun! Uplifting! Inspiring!
My comment on boycotts: consumer boycotts are one thing any of us can do. I’d like to see us develop lists of businesses who support the MSM and others who don’t so I can use my buying power to reward the businesses that support the American taxpayer and sensible spending.
But for those who want to boycott CNN- boycott CNN all day BUT tune in for Lou Dobbs at 6:00 p.m.! Programs like Lou Dobbs need our support!
I am so proud of all of us for being so kind and respectful and friendly. We had a great turnout and it was so much fun to meet so many people. I even saw the owner of where I work and some fellow co workers. Dont give up hope and dont give up future attendance! this is just the begining of what is to come.
Hope to see you all again at the Tax rally on May 2nd!
Brainerd had about 400. It was an open mike forum with no lack of inspired speakers.
Thank you for organizing a positive, fun and memorable event! I am grateful for the opportunity to participate for the first time with like-minded people who could smile through their discontent. I’m excited for May 2 and July 4 and other ways to get involved and make a difference for the better of our great country and people.
Thanks again for all the hard work that went into this.
This was my first time I have attended such a rally. Usually I am too busy with my job and my family. I am really glad i was a part of this. It was so awesome to see so many people support this cause. I sincerely hope this is just the beginning.
We are winning. This silent conservative MAJORITY is waking up. Be scurred!!! Be very afraid. You are gonna lose your grant money LIBERALS!!!!!! Be scurrred!!!!! The Acorn is dropped and the squirrels are gonna eat your nut!!!!
Now boycott advertisers on MSM stations. Start with Target Corp., who just a few years ago dropped the Salvation Army just before Christmas, instead of just after Christmas. This was done in cruelty and evil. I know this Corporation because it is headquartered here in Liberal Minnesota. They are struggling financially. We could take them down.
Also:
Trop 50 by Tropicana
Tracellers insurance
Snuggle Fabric Softener
Listerene
Macy’s
Cash4gold.com
National Diabetic Pharmacies
Kellogs Special K
Petsmart
Act Total Care mouthwash
Imodium
CareOne credit counseling services (oh yeah these are only for liberal losers)
Becker Furniture
612-L-A-W-Y-E-R-S (OH YEAH THESE ARE ONLY FOR LIBERALS FAKE SLIP AND FALL CASES)
Well off to work to pay liberal mortgages at work
My family and I were there as well. We are small business owners with 2 small children. It was awesome!! My kids had so much fun. I can’t wait until the tax rally!
I was at the tea party,what a great turnout.
I just watched the news and seen how our sick media
is protraying the people of this country that dare to speak out.
We can speak truth to corrupt power .how…hit them where
it hurts..BOYCOTT EVERY ITEM THAT IS ADVERTIZED ON THE
NEWS CHANNELS EVERYONE OF THEM………SEND PHONE CALLS
EMAILS.LETTERS TO EVERY PRODUCT MARKETING DEPT…
THIER MONEY IS SUPPORTING THESE STATIONS AND OURS
IS SUPPORTING THEM…..THE MEDIA MY IS RUN ON MONEY
OUR MONEY IF WE DONT BUY COMPANIES DONT SPEND.
I was at the rally tonight and thought it went great. Watched all the news channels locally and there was very little coverage, as expected. People need to wakt up and make these news medias cover whats important or I think they should loose there licence to brodcast beacuse they are abusing the power they have over the people with giving either faulse info or not reporting on what really matters.
It was SO much fun – that’s for organizing such an AWESOME event.
Can’t wait till May 2nd!!!
I came and stayed for about an hour and a half. I would have stayed for the whole thing but my head (blonde hair, fair skin, no not bald) was starting to burn pretty good already. I didn’t realize there wouldn’t be much shade. I watched as the crowd grew. I’m real proud of you guys for being there. Hope the rest of the party went off without a hitch. I will make plans to stay longer the next time now that I know where I can park without getting towed away. I think maybe next time I’ll bring friends and be more prepared not to burn.
Take 94 E to St. Paul, but don’t use any of the roads constructed with taxpayer dollars and if some of those crazy liberals hassle you, don’t call a cop. They’re taking your tax money to pay for those guys! These tea parties are so cool! Maybe we can really stop that madman Barack Obama from his fiendish plan to return the top marginal tax rate to the level it was at under Ronald Reagan! Taxes suck! Wooooo!
I plan to be there. This taxing has to stop!!
I plan to be there! This taxing has to stop!!!
“Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to it’s owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon and account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked: ‘ACCOUNT CLOSED.’
Words of Ayn Rand written 50 years ago in ATLAS SHRUGGED
I have been trying to warn freinds and relatives about this day all of my adult life. Almost no one would listen. Now it is probably too late. But what the hell, let’s try it again.
Instead of tea bags, I am bringing my fair tax book to send. That will send a message of “do this” rather than a message of “do something”. I want our goverment back, and taking this punishing tax code away from them forces them to talk to us otherthan talking around us. Sending the fair tax book shows more commitment to vote than a tea bag. fairtax.org or boortz.com or amazon.com for The Fairtax book.
Let’s do this.
We will be there and have emailed many, many friends and family. There is enough waste in our government to employee many folks that are now unemployed–why don’t they cut their salaries and provide jobs to others.
Finally! Something is happening to take America back! I’ll definitely be there!
I cannot wait. I’m here at work (I work in a hotel at the front desk…lots of standing around during the day), looking at the website. And I’m just getting really excited! But we need to keep focus. We cannot just focus of the stoges named P-Bo(president Obama), princess pelosi, and Reid. We need to take note that many are to blame in congress and the administrations, Obama, Bush, and Clinton. We need to control our life, not control put on our life. It is time, this is the building ground breaking ceremony nationwide of a great new american freedom. No longer can we just sit by and let Code Pink and MoveOn.org set the bar. No longer shall we be silent in the night. No longer afraid to say something to the outspoken liberals, whom wish to silence anyony who opposes them. We shall stand and reclaim this country. Lead it away from tryanny and oppresion. Away from the Solcialist curve. For today we make the claim, to renew this country in the shape our founders intended. For so many had fought and died on the feilds of Yorktown for. To have the Government away from your every living decision. To have the States be in control of their people. For choice and Liberty to live. For a man to have his pursuit of happiness. For I say God Bless the United States of America!
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
– Thomas Paine, (1737-1809), The Age of Reason, pt. 1, “The Author’s Profession of Faith” (1794), quoted from The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations
Should I bring my tea cup and saucer?
My Father, my wife, and I will be there. I may be bringing my Intern from work as well…
The style of writing is quite familiar . Did you write guest posts for other blogs?
Man o’ man! Count me in! Jeff Schmidt said everything I want to say, so, thank you, Jeff.
The federal government is getting WAY too powerful. How can one man with so little experience be ushered into office only to launch a full frontal assault on our liberties, our individuality, our national honor, our right and/or ability to fully defend ourselves (in our homes and abroad), bury us and future generations in mountains of debt, and not be thrown out of office when he represents only one-third to one-half of the country? What about those of us who think America is still the best country in the world and the engine of free enterprise and economies around the world? What about those of us who cherish our founding documents: The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE and our Constitution. Those of us who, if not Christian or Jew, at least respect the moral foundation that rests upon Judeo-Christian principles. Does President Obama think WE are the source of his troubles? It sure seems like it!
If the liberals succeed in squelching talk radio, they will then strip the de facto guts out of our Second Amendment rights through over-regulation or taxation of gun ownership and/or use (ammunition).
What in the hell is wrong with ‘those’ pepole (PBO/Pelosi/Frank/Napolitano/Emanuel)? Why do they want to destroy America???
Of course the dems are blaming Bush for the taxes when they are the ones who ae doing all of the taxing and ripping us off in the 30′s we did not have hardley any taxes and now look what thedems have added and keep spending and helping the crooks they work with , It is time we stop hiringmore people to goverment offices also in the the astates and counties and cities they keep adding more people that we have to support , all the ddems want to do is to control the people I am so DAMM glad some has started a tax revolt
It’s not the Dems vs the Repubs. It’s the Statists vs the individual. Important not to forget that. We’re all Americans. Some of us insist on liberty. Others would like us to do whatever it is they would like us too. It starts by taking control of our money and small actions. Utimately, they’ll move to control our children’s thoughts and daily actions, even more so, for their children.
Fight back now while we still can. Stop blaming the other party – whatever that might be. Blame the statists. They’re in both parties.
Marie,
I paid for your “stimulus check” and was not given a choice in the matter. I also paid for ACORN to mitigate my vote by providing an absentee ballot to a homeless person who used a local park bench as his address.
Additionally, I’m not “rich”; I don’t even make over $150K per year. But wait…big surprise…guess what??? No stimulus check for me.
So I ask you now Marie: What are you going to do to give back to the rest of us who paid for your stimulus check?
Answer: Nothing (like all parasites).
Who is John Galt!
See you at the Rally!!
We’ll be there:
http://intellectualtakeout.org/readtheblog/2009/04/14/its-tea-time/
I am all for protesting high taxes and bailouts, but I hope these rallies don’t turn into an Obama/Dem. bashing free-for-all. These rallys should be for All citizens who fed up with the way things are !! Remember, we all know who started these record deficits, George W. Bush, and we know what party he was from.
Dave:
You are correct. These deficits did start with President Bush and no -today should not be about bashing any party. But it should be about holding the current adminstration accountable so as to fix the problem rather than pointing fingers on past failed activities we can not change.
President Obama has spent more taxpayer money in his first 100 hundred days in office than the collective governments spent in the past 200 years. He’s not misguided because he’s a democrat – like Pres Bush, he’s just misguided.
We have a congress that doesn’t read the bills they voted on – except for the earmarks they added as amendments.
GM was told to prepare for bankruptcy by June 1. Chrysler was told to sell itself to Fiat. Yet both bailouts (sorry “bridge loans”) were forced down our throats because both companies were too big to fail.
Banks can’t return the TARP money to get out from under the government’s scrutiny. And we can’t drill for our own oil and gas in the US – we have to buy it from despots our President will bow down to (what does he think Airforce 1 runs on?)
And as a crippled VET, I am now blamed by DHS for being recruitable by “right wing extremist groups” (apparently I’m immune from being recruited by groups like ELF or ACORN). I’m such a threat – can’t hardly walk, can barely speak or use my left hand, but unlike the narco terrorists on our southern border, the pirates off Somalia, Iran or North Korea, I’m the government’s Homeland Security nemisis.
So no, this isn’t about what polical party you belong to, it isn’t about hate. It’s about being American – and doing what’s right, not what’s easy, politcally correct or fashionable.
JCS
On the eve of these historic rallies, Barack Obama’s DHS has
issued a “rightwing” threat assessment to warn of the “current
economic and political climate fueling resurgence in
radicalization and recruitment” for “rightwing extremism.”
Who are these extremists? According to the report, adherents
are primarily “hate-oriented” or “antigovernment” but also
include “individuals that are dedicated to a single issue,
such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
I suppose that covers anyone who opposes Obama’s mad-dash to
socialism! This is a blatant effort by the Obama team to
radicalize their opponents. And they will get all the help
they need from the liberal media.
You can download Obamas DHS “assesment” at
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?U=18114&RID=19013906
I trained at The United States Military Academy at West Point, Airborne and Ranger Schools. I picked up a weapon and stood my post for 10 years ’till a parachute accident returned me as a civilian.
I was taught that as a soldier my purpose (among others) was to allow all sides to have a fair debate of ideology and serve my elected officials. But as I said, I’m a civilian now. So it’s time for me to make my voice heard. I will be there on the 15th because …
1. I’m tired of the spending
2. I’m tired of the pork – from both parties.
3. I’m tired of the cuts in the military.
4. I’m tired of allowing the North Koreans to test their missles while we dismantle our missle defense.
5. Im tired of Iran’s president running us to ground.
6. I’m tired of our president bowing to the Saudi King.
7. I’m tired of Pres’l speechs like today claiming that we should pay the banks more money to free up credit but should not borrow any – we should save. Huh?
8. I’m tired of having my money being confiscated to give failed car companies “bridge loans” that the government has no intention of returning to me with interest; that they’re just going to spend anything they get back again. But than announcing that it’s going to force one of the recipients into bankruptcy anyway ’cause the government made a mistake. Ooops!
9. I’m tired of a president that scolds three auto executives for flying out to Washington on their corporate jets but sees no trouble in flying Marine 1, Airforce 1 and 2 (’cause Joe Biden wanted his own jet) plus two cargo C-17 jets of security and limos to Colorado for a Photo Op at a solar panel plant so he could sign his stimulus bill – an act he could have done in the oval office for free.
10. Finally – I’m tired of government accepting an automatic 8% pay raise every year while they rail against the likes of AIG and the rest. If they’re that concered, everyone of them including staffers and cabinet officials should work for $1 annually
11. Actually – I’m just tired.
JCS
I don’t understand this event. It’s to protest taxes, right? But Obama just cut taxes for 95% of Americans (all but the wealthy, who are getting a measley 3% boost).
So is this to say that it wasn’t enough of a cut?
I don’t get it. I got a huge tax rebate (stimulus check) this past year . . . my taxes haven’t been this low in a long, long time.
So what’s everybody so angry about?
WOW
Here is an idea I think is a good follow up to the Tea Parties on April 15th. Sunday April 19th is the 234th anniversary of the battle at Lexington and Concord, MA. Those are battles that started our Revolution. The “shot heard ’round the world” was fired by the Minutemen on that day. To commemorate this revolutionary event I suggest everyone fly the Gadsden “Don’t Tread On Me” flag in honor of the start of our American Revolution.
Good idea. But you realize that anyone flying this historic flag is now listed as a possible security risk by the MO Homeland security? They say we’re rebels and that has them focused on us. Times are getting more precarious by the day. I don’t think it was coincidence that the “vast right wing conspiracy” raises it’s public head with Homeland security just a day or two before the tea party.
I went out and bought mine when I first heard of the MO analysis of the flag. We’re making an impact – WITH A FLAG! – TheyR